# Jesus is God. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152 "2012-10-08T23:37:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/81 "2012-10-09T01:11:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not appreciated by me. If you don’t have the guts to be sincere, I don’t have the time to waste talking to you. Do you care to try again? I’ll try again. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/82 "2012-10-09T01:12:57Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > But I have a crazy 18th century scientist and his 30 plus volumes of theological works to back me up. I hand wave that away. Jesus is not god. ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/83 "2012-10-09T01:13:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not appreciated by me. If you don’t have the guts to be sincere, I don’t have the time to waste talking to you. Do you care to try again? Out of curiosity, are you an atheist? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/84 "2012-10-09T01:14:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I would say that eternity in a cage is torture as well. _Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage_ ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/85 "2012-10-09T01:29:32Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I’m so sorry. I hope you’re a smart 13 year old, and soon you’ll begin to question this stuff. To give the guy credit, he posted his religious view in bold terms on a message board sure to challenge him. The least those willing can do is take up the gauntlet without personal insult. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/86 "2012-10-09T01:30:35Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > Out of curiosity, are you an atheist? Among many other things, I am also an atheist. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/87 "2012-10-09T01:33:02Z")
Here it comes, are you ready **Czarcasm**? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/88 "2012-10-09T01:35:12Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Here it comes, are you ready **Czarcasm**? Lol. No, I got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/89 "2012-10-09T01:41:12Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > Lol. No, I got nothing. Then why ask? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/90 "2012-10-09T01:42:03Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Then why ask? Because I might have had some footing if he wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/91 "2012-10-09T01:44:14Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > Because I might have had some footing if he wasn’t. Because another belief is less likely than yours? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/92 "2012-10-09T01:45:32Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Because another belief is less likely than yours? Among religious theologies I believe Emanuel Swedenborg’s is the most coherent. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/93 "2012-10-09T01:52:51Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > Among religious theologies I believe Emanuel Swedenborg’s is the most coherent. Is the faith most likely to be true that which most appeals to reason? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/94 "2012-10-09T01:59:20Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Is the faith most likely to be true that which most appeals to reason? What other measure would it be determined by? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/95 "2012-10-09T02:03:51Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > What other measure would it be determined by? Great. I hope you stick around. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/96 "2012-10-09T02:04:33Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > . . . I draw a ninja on a napkin. . . . Using invisible ink! Now that really looks like a ninja! > [@RedRain](#): > > THE LORD CASTS NO ONE INTO HELL; THE SPIRIT CASTS HIMSELF DOWN. . . . Cool! Since I would never do such a thing, I know I am guaranteed a place in Heaven. Thanks! > [@Sitnam](#): > > Is the faith most likely to be true that which most appeals to reason? Best question I’ve heard in a long, long time. My instinct is to say yes. It would still be a “faith,” taken without sufficient evidence, but it strives best to fit the evidence we have. A faith which requires us to ignore evidence contradicts reason. A faith that is clearly a house of cards, built out of complex structures of special pleading, is not attractive to reason. To the degree that an article of faith accords with evidence, and, further, makes logical sense (avoids self-contradiction) and, further yet, makes philosophical sense , i.e., accords well with our best notions of true-and-false and with our best notions of right-and-wrong, then that faith is admirable. To the degree that an article of faith violates these qualities, it is less admirable. It doesn’t have to explain everything; but that which it does explain must be true…and good. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/97 "2012-10-09T02:05:15Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > Lol. No, I got nothing. Then what was the purpose of your question? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/98 "2012-10-09T02:08:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then what was the purpose of your question? As I stated above, I might have had some footing if you weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/99 "2012-10-09T02:13:55Z")
It’s fortunate for **RedRain** that throughout history the belief with the strongest foundation in reason happens to be the one he was raised in, what are the numeric odds of that? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/100 "2012-10-09T02:16:22Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > It’s fortunate for **RedRain** that throughout history the belief with the strongest foundation in reason happens to be the one he was raised in, what are the numeric odds of that? lol [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152.md?page=6)