# Jesus is God. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152 "2012-10-08T23:37:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/121 "2012-10-09T02:45:44Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > What I feel is all that exists. Oh, I thought we were applying reason. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/122 "2012-10-09T02:45:54Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > I have a different idea of hell than you. Hell is just a place to keep people in line who wish to do harm to others. The punishment is just like the punishment that prison serves as on earth. > > Without the possibility of the worst, there can be no possibility of the best. You would need something to compare it to or it would in no way be real. You need opposing forces for either force to be real. your basically saying nothing can exist without its opposite. So, what is the opposite of a blade of grass? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/123 "2012-10-09T02:46:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Given how much he wrote it would be sort of a problem if you couldn’t. > > It is- and from here it’s not very impressive. > > You could tilt a table or ask Swedenborg to take control of your computer or something. lol. What is the tilt a table reference? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/124 "2012-10-09T02:47:40Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > What I feel is all that exists. What if it directly contradicts what _I_ feel? What if it directly contradicts reality as most know it to be? If you feel that you have the ability to drink 20 ounces of gasoline without harm to yourself, what will happen to you? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/125 "2012-10-09T02:48:15Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > lol. What is the tilt a table reference? Seances. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/126 "2012-10-09T02:48:41Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > your basically saying nothing can exist without its opposite. So, what is the opposite of a blade of grass? A lawnmower. ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/127 "2012-10-09T02:49:25Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What if it directly contradicts what _I_ feel? What if it directly contradicts reality as most know it to be? If you feel that you have the ability to drink 20 ounces of gasoline without harm to yourself, what will happen to you? I’d probably die, but I wouldn’t think it was because of the gasoline. ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/128 "2012-10-09T02:51:12Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Oh, I thought we were applying reason. > > Carry on. Sorry to disappoint, but isn’t reason subjective like everything else? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/129 "2012-10-09T02:51:59Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > So, what is the opposite of a blade of grass? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > A lawnmower. Or antimatter grass. Geezer: “Keep off my lawn!” _ **\** _ Geezer: “Told ya!” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/130 "2012-10-09T02:52:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Probably with a God apologizing “sorry, Free Will you know” as they chase the denizens of Heaven around with axes. I don’t know why, but I’m getting major Yakety Sax when I try picturing that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/131 "2012-10-09T02:53:35Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > Sorry to disappoint, but isn’t reason subjective like everything else? No, it is not. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/132 "2012-10-09T02:54:11Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > The stuff he writes is so much deeper than any of the other Christian sects. How would _you_ know? you were indoctrinated since you were a small child that what he wrote was “deep” because he wrote it. This fallacy leads to the next fallacy that other works cannot be deep if he did not write them. You have merely redefined “deep” to mean “written by Swedenborg”. What do you know of other religions and the many centuries of thought that have gone into them? ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/133 "2012-10-09T02:54:30Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > No, it is not. Don’t our basic assumptions determine what we find to be reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/134 "2012-10-09T02:55:13Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > I’d probably die, but I wouldn’t think it was because of the gasoline. What would it be because of, if not the gasoline? ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/135 "2012-10-09T02:55:41Z")
So the OP is just [argument 123](http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm), right? > [@ARGUMENT FROM JESUS SAID STUFF](#): > > (1) Jesus said some really cool stuff. > (2) No one else had said that stuff. > (2) Therefore, God exists. ETA: Also argument 367 > [@ARGUMENT FROM YOU ARE ALWAYS LOVED](#): > > (1) You are always loved. > (2) God invented love. > (3) Therefore, God exists. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/136 "2012-10-09T02:56:14Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > Don’t our basic assumptions determine what we find to be reasonable? Determine? No. ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/137 "2012-10-09T02:57:07Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > So the OP is just [argument 123](http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm), right? I’m not trying to argue that God exists. ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/138 "2012-10-09T02:58:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Determine? No. What determines what an individual finds reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/139 "2012-10-09T03:00:22Z")
nm… ---
**Author:** ![RedRain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@RedRain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/140 "2012-10-09T03:01:35Z")
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