# Jesus Saves tires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205 "2010-05-03T21:11:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/21 "2010-05-04T14:43:15Z")
> [@panman\_1960](#): > > I know, you want to increase the mosquito population in hopes you’ll be spreading West Nile virus to all the heathens who don’t believe! This. If those tires do not have holes bored in the bottom to keep them drained, I would love to see someone go after them for breeding mosquitos. (I doubt that they are in violation of a law on that count and I seriously doubt that anyone could get standing to sue them, successfully, (and would consider that a waste of court resources, anyway), but I would settle for a really nasty ad or public relations campaign, mocking them and noting that they are a public health menace.) ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/22 "2010-05-04T14:56:14Z")
> [@newcrasher](#): > > As a follower of Jesus, loathe to identify “Christian”, this is a behavior that really annoys me. I call it being “Jesus-y”. People think being a Christian is “good” so they go out of thier way filling their time making stupid signs and writing letters to NBC about how they were offended by this or that and flying the flag. These things letthem have all of the “feel good” benefits of being a Christia, with none of the actual work or sacrafice. What work or sacrifice? You believe that Jesus died for you sins and you are saved a life of eternal damnation. You don’t need to do anything. On the other hand, cure cancer, volunteer at the soup kitchen, and make a fresh pot of coffee when you take the last cup but don’t accept Jesus, and you are a charcoal briquette for eternity. There is no work or sacrifice required, just blind faith. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/23 "2010-05-04T15:21:41Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > There is no work or sacrifice required, just blind faith. It depends which tree you’re cherry picking from. [http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/faithalone.html](http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/faithalone.html) ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/24 "2010-05-04T15:49:06Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > What work or sacrifice? You believe that Jesus died for you sins and you are saved a life of eternal damnation. You don’t need to do anything. On the other hand, cure cancer, volunteer at the soup kitchen, and make a fresh pot of coffee when you take the last cup but don’t accept Jesus, and you are a charcoal briquette for eternity. > > There is no work or sacrifice required, just blind faith. Can I use this? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/25 "2010-05-04T17:23:29Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > What work or sacrifice? You believe that Jesus died for you sins and you are saved a life of eternal damnation. You don’t need to do anything. On the other hand, cure cancer, volunteer at the soup kitchen, and make a fresh pot of coffee when you take the last cup but don’t accept Jesus, and you are a charcoal briquette for eternity. > > There is no work or sacrifice required, just blind faith. That’s a bullshit straw man, and you should know better. There are many, many different versions of Christianity and the vast majority don’t conform to your narrow view of it. You sound like one of those idiotic talking heads on Fox News saying “since liberals believe that… etc, then they think…” It’s lazy and it’s bigoted, **Dan**. Shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/26 "2010-05-04T23:07:01Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > What work or sacrifice? You believe that Jesus died for you sins and you are saved a life of eternal damnation. You don’t need to do anything. On the other hand, cure cancer, volunteer at the soup kitchen, and make a fresh pot of coffee when you take the last cup but don’t accept Jesus, and you are a charcoal briquette for eternity. > > There is no work or sacrifice required, just blind faith. I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/27 "2010-05-05T00:02:11Z")
> [@newcrasher](#): > > I see what you did there. Wait… what? Did I get whooshed? If I did, can somebody please explain it? ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/28 "2010-05-05T01:21:35Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > There are many, many different versions of Christianity and the vast majority don’t conform to your narrow view of it. I believe that you are mistaken, at least [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism)thinks so > [@](#): > > The doctrines of the various Protestant denominations vary, but nearly unanimous doctrines include justification by grace through faith and not through works, the priesthood of all believers, and the Bible as the ultimate authority in matters of faith and order. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/29 "2010-05-05T01:41:21Z")
I was worried that I might have missed a joke somewhere, but it turns out I was right the first time. You _are_ an asshole, **Dan**. Perhaps you should take **Der Tris** ’s dick out of your mouth and realize that you don’t get to cherry pick in order to make wild assumptions about what other people believe. Also, you should perhaps ponder the fact that protestantism encompasses both Fred Phelps and the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. There might just be a touch of variation there. Just a touch. Wikipedia as a religious cite. Really!? You’re an asshole _and_ a moron. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/30 "2010-05-05T05:05:00Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Wikipedia as a religious cite. Really!? You’re an asshole _and_ a moron. Dude, what the fuck is up with you. You are really going to try and argue that Christianity is not based on the fact that acceptance of Jesus Christ as your savior is the only path to salvation? It’s pretty much the definition of Christianity. I’ll wait on your cite that “the vast majority” of Christian religions do not believe that faith alone, rather than acts, is how one is saved. Don’t like Wiki? How about the Bible? Eph.2:8,9 For by grace are ye **saved through faith** , not of yourselves… **not of works** Jn.3:16 God…gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should…have everlasting life Jn.3:36b He that believeth not the Son shall not see life Jn.8:24 If ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins Jn.3:16 God…gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should…have everlasting life Jn.3:36b He that believeth not the Son shall not see life Jn.8:24 If ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins Eph.2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved **through faith, not of yourselves…not of works** Mk.10:25-27 Who can be saved? With men it is impossible Rom.3:20a By deeds of law shall no flesh be justified in His sight Rom.11:6 **And if by grace, then is it no more of works** Gal.2:16 Justified by the\*\* faith of Christ and not by works of the law\*\* 2Tim.1:9 Saved us, **not according to our works, but according to His grace** Tit.3:5 **Not by works of righteousness** which we have done ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/31 "2010-05-05T06:00:44Z")
**Dan** , I’m tired. Will you please read the right side of **x-ray** ’s link? > [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > It depends which tree you’re cherry picking from. > > [http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/faithalone.html](http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/faithalone.html) Psalm 62:12 For you render to each one according to his works. That pretty much takes out your “there is no work required” bullshit, don’t it? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/32 "2010-05-05T06:08:10Z")
James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead ---
**Author:** ![EvilTOJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EvilTOJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilTOJ)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/33 "2010-05-05T07:04:46Z")
_goes to get popcorn_ Sorry, all out of pie. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/34 "2010-05-05T07:19:53Z")
I don’t know why this is still bugging me, but this is my point: > [@DanBlather](#): > > There is no work or sacrifice required, just blind faith. Bullshit. Straw man bullshit. I have never met a Christian that thought like that. It’s straw man bullshit. Now, can we please get back to how nailing tires to telephone poles is a bad idea? ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/35 "2010-05-05T08:29:18Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > I don’t know why this is still bugging me, but this is my point:Bullshit. Straw man bullshit. I have never met a Christian that thought like that. It’s straw man bullshit. > > Now, can we please get back to how nailing tires to telephone poles is a bad idea? First, you don’t know what a strawman is. Second, you prefer using the skeptics dictionary over Wiki? Really? You know they are making fun of you, right? Third, I do not believe for one minute that you don’t know any Christians who think that faith alone, not acts, leads to salvation. That is a mainstream view of Christian religions. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/36 "2010-05-05T08:53:19Z")
[This](http://pewforum.org/Many-Americans-Say-Other-Faiths-Can-Lead-to-Eternal-Life.aspx)site shows that more people believe that faith alone leads to salvation than believe in acts alone or acts and faith together. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/37 "2010-05-05T09:34:49Z")
I give up, buddy. I just don’t care. You’re an idiot. I will not abet you in this highjack. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/38 "2010-05-05T11:26:20Z")
If you believe the bible is the literal “Word of Gawd-duh” then you will have some serious cognistive dissonance if you give it an honest reading. But I believe it is a collection of writings from people seeking to understand their world and how to relate with God and each other through the centuries. But I still struggle with the meaning of so much of it. But if you are hungry, I will share my food with you. If you need a place to stay I have an extra room you can use. If you are an immigrant, I welcome you. There are plenty of people who are much kinder than me who are atheist, so you obiously don’t need Jesus to be good. But there are a lot of non-religious jerks out there as well. ---
**Author:** ![panman\_1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@panman\_1960](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panman_1960)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/39 "2010-05-05T14:41:13Z")
Hijacking my post with quotes from the bible, now you’ve gone and fucked up my view on the message board! Just go back to painting the tires… But at least drill the holes in the bottom. (That’s the lower part of the tire if the print is up):rolleyes: later, Tom. ---
**Author:** ![panman\_1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@panman\_1960](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panman_1960)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves-tires/538205/40 "2010-05-05T14:42:33Z")
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