# Jesus saves

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves/706922>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [December 11, 2014, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves/706922 "2014-12-11T06:06:28Z")\
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**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-saves/706922/101 "2014-12-16T06:05:56Z")

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> [@Trinopus](#):
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> But the claim that God is both Op and Os is a paradox, because it is self-contradictory. Isn’t that the definition of a paradox?
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> (It must be true…and therefore it must be false…)
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> This is why I recommend that religionists back away to a stance of Pp and Ps – Plenipotence and Pleniscience. Their God can still be quadrillions of times more powerful and knowledgeable than anyone or anything else, without the absurdities imposed by attempting to realize a concrete “infinity.”

You know that, and I know that, but some of the proofs of God depend on him being the greatest possible. Yeah, it’s a mess.

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> (A God which literally knew everything would spend an infinite amount of his resources knowing his own thoughts, and knowing his own knowledge of his own thoughts, and knowing his own knowledge of his own knowledge of his own thoughts… Etc. Forever. Such a navel-gazing God is infinitely uninteresting.)

God has infinities up the wazoo. They were easy to talk about when no one understood them.  
If I had a time machine, I’d go back to when Jeremiah or whoever was writing and editing the Bible, and give him a course on science, logic, and math. He’d probably throw up his hands and give up. And we’d all be visiting temple virgins today.

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