# Jewish control of media **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 5, 2003, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369 "2003-03-05T23:53:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/21 "2003-03-06T15:16:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Malthus \* > \*\*Neither can be _disproved_. > > So go ahead, everyone - _prove_ that Jews do _not_ control the water supply. It cannot be done. Similarly, it cannot be “proven” that Jews do _not_ control the media.\*\* Where does the word prove occur in the OP? Please re-read it and try again. I _can_ be convinced. I’m very reasonable in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/22 "2003-03-06T16:59:43Z")
It’s odd that people are focusing on Disney as some kind of proof that Jews control the media. Fact is, there’s far LESS Jewish power and influence in Hollywood than there used to be! In the “golden age” of Hollywood, the 1930s and 1940s, virtually ALL the major studio heads were Jews (the Warner brothers, Louis B. Mayer, Sam Goldwyn, Harry Cohn, etc.). And yet, in those days, it was very rare to see mainstream films that dealt with Jewish issues at all. Indeed, Jewish studios were FAR more likely to churn out films presenting idealized Catholic priests than they were to make films sympathetic to Jewish causes. One of the very few films of that era that acknowledged the existence of anti-semitism was “Gentleman’s Agreement,” and ironically, that film was green-lighted by Darryl Zanuck- the only important studio head of his time who WASN’T Jewish! If Jews didn’t use the one medium they DID control to push a Jewish agenda, it’s hard to imagine how they could be doing it now, when there’s NO medium over which they have comparable control. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/23 "2003-03-06T18:34:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > **I _do_ control the media! I am a copy chief at a magazine** Is it true that _only_ the goyim open up their new magazines and have a dozen subscription cards fall out into their laps? Cause if it is, it’d be worth converting to Judaism. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/24 "2003-03-06T19:10:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by js\_africanus \* > \*\*Where does the word prove occur in the OP? Please re-read it and try again. I _can_ be convinced. I’m very reasonable in that regard. \*\* The same difficulties exist for “convince” as for “prove”. One cannot “convince” someone of the non-existence of a conspiracy. Not without the gift of omnipotence. How can anyone be sure that the “convincer” is not a dupe of the conspiracy him or herself? How can one be sure that the “convincer” simply does not know of the details, is not part of the ‘inner circle’? That is why the burden of proving, or convincing, others of the _existence_ of any particular conspiracy is rightly on those who wish to demonstrate said conspiracy in fact exists. Shifting the burden onto people to _disprove or unconvince_ simply is a non-starter. I cannot prove, or convince, anyone that Jews are _not_ controlling your bodily fluids, as I know nothing about it. Nor do I have any inside information about the JFK assasination, or the existence of paranormal powers. Those who argue _for_ those various things surely bear the burden of demonstrating they _exist_. The rest of us do _not_ have the burden of demonstrating they do _not_ exist. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/25 "2003-03-06T19:14:21Z")
“Is it true that only the goyim open up their new magazines and have a dozen subscription cards fall out into their laps?” —Damn! He’s on to us! Now we will have to kill him, and use his blood to make cK Calvin Klein perfume inserts! ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/26 "2003-03-06T20:16:28Z")
Yes, did you know that nearly all the staff on the Jewish Times, Jewish News and the Jerusalem Post are Jewish? Conincidence? Unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![2Thick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/a88e57/32.png) [@2Thick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2Thick)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/27 "2003-03-06T20:31:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by adam yax \* > \*\ ***2Thick** , if you cannot see the overtly biased nature of a website whose home page states than I doubt that any exposure to the Straight Dope can fight your ignorance. Or is the Chicago Reader part of the giant Jewish/Zionist plot? \*\* I fail to see how my ability to isolate nuggets of fact out of a steaming pile of hate makes me ignorant. Maybe you called me ignorant because you do not have those analytical skills. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/28 "2003-03-06T21:54:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 2Thick \* > \*\*I fail to see how my ability to isolate nuggets of fact out of a steaming pile of hate makes me ignorant. > > Maybe you called me ignorant because you do not have those analytical skills. \*\* I fail to see how your ability to isolate nuggets of fact out of a steaming pile of hate makes you ignorant either, considering that you’ve shown quite clearly that you’re utterly and totally unable to isolate nuggets of fact from anywhere. As a quick word of advice, let me just say that anybody who insists on repeatedly posting links and flames that quite clearly demonstrate that they are barely even literate should probably not attack the intelligence of other posters who respond in a mature and rational style, because those who do so will usually only embarrass themselves further. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/29 "2003-03-06T22:29:02Z")
**2Thick** might consider helping us all out by explaining just what s/he thinks the specific dangers are in “jewish control of the media”, hopefully with one or two examples demonstrating a pro-jewish slant in the programming ESPN and Nickleodeon (since these networks are specifically mentioned in the link as being under jewish control). In addition, I would call on **2Thick** to name a single non-jewish person he or she is aware of who has been turned down for a job in television, radio publishing or news reporting, in favor of a jewish candidate and specifically because the successful candidate was jewish; or to name any employee of a media organization who was fired from their job specifically for refusing to adhere to a presumed jewish agenda. Names, dates and locations, if you please. ---
**Author:** ![2Thick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/a88e57/32.png) [@2Thick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2Thick)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/30 "2003-03-06T23:04:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ITR champion \* > \*\* flames that quite clearly demonstrate that they are barely even literate should probably not attack the intelligence of other posters who respond in a mature and rational style > \*\* So you flame me for flaming. Ironic, eh? ---
**Author:** ![mrsface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@mrsface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrsface)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/31 "2003-03-06T23:51:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 2Thick \* > \*\*Filter out the hate and focus on facts. > > There is you answer. > > [http://www.americandefenseleague.com/mediain1.htm](http://www.americandefenseleague.com/mediain1.htm) > > Once again, no need to criticize the source…focus on the facts. > > Intelligent people can do that. \*\* You tell people to filter out the hate, then refer them to a piece of crap that suggests that the Holocaust is a “tale”? Words fail me, for once. I work in “the media” and I could probably concoct a similar “argument”, with lists of names, that the media is “controlled” by Scots, or English, or Australians, or Indians…take your pick. As someone else pointed out, you would not be able to “prove” any of these conspiracy theories wrong, that’s how conspiracy theories work. The media is controlled by people. Get real. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/32 "2003-03-07T00:10:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 2Thick \* > \*\*I fail to see how my ability to isolate nuggets of fact out of a steaming pile of hate makes me ignorant. > \*\* I’m sorry. I must have missed your isolated ‘nuggets of fact’. Please point them out to me. I see next to nothing in your link that is worthy of debate, but I’ll try and find some questions to ask you anyway. 1. How does the fact that Disney is run by a Jewish ‘control freak’ perpetuates the Jewish ‘agenda’? 2. How did Michael Eisner “take over” Disney in 1984? It is a public company and Eisner doesn’t have controlling interest, so how did he manage it? 3. Doesn’t the fact that the site you linked to makes its anti-Zionist POV clear give you any pause that it may be biased? 4. How does Viacom being the “largest single purveyor of race-mixing propaganda to White teenagers and sub-teens in America and Europe” have anything to do with the so-called Jewish conspiracy. 5. Does the Jewish conspiracy only apply to the US? Or does western Europe figure in this as well? **2Thick** , if you want to have a reasonable debate, answer these questions and ask a few of your own and we can move on from that. The wrong thing to do is get hackles up when the validity of your cite is questioned. ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/33 "2003-03-07T00:36:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Malthus \* > **The same difficulties exist for “convince” as for “prove”.** Yes and no, IMO. Take a look at the hypothesis offered by **Florentine\_Pogen** which, as I read it, eschews the “Jewish control” and “conspiracy” theories and merely posits that Jews, like any ethnic group, acts as a special interest. Surely the “X as a special interest group” hypothesis, if true, would leave different empirical artifacts from the “X controls the media” hypothesis. If **Pogen** were to isolate one or more of those artifacts, in essence showing that the special interest hypothesis better fits the facts, while at the same time explaining contrary evidence (though I have no idea what that would be) I would probably be convinced. It really wouldn’t constitute a proof since we could hem & haw and dismiss the evidence with all sorts of convoluted arguments if need be. But it probably would be pretty convincing. Sorry about being snotty before. It’s easy to be rude when I’m not talking face-to-face. My failure. ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/34 "2003-03-07T00:45:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by adam yax \* > **3. Doesn’t the fact that the site you linked to makes its anti-Zionist POV clear give you any pause that it may be biased?** While I agree that **2Thick** has done a poor job of making his case, please don’t confuse anti-zionist with anti-Jewish. Here’s some photos of Orthodox Jews burning the Israeli flag. Unless it’s anti-Elders of Zion type anti-zionist, in which case we can probably agree–what with that being a fraud and all. ---
**Author:** ![candida](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@candida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/candida)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/35 "2003-03-07T01:00:56Z")
Of course being anti-Israel doesn’t make you an Jew-hater and dragging up old Jew-hater myths may just be a matter of being naieve . . . on the other hand, stuff like wringing one’s hands over the Palestinians and ‘wondering’ about Jewish cover-ups of the ‘crimes’ of the IDF might well provide the most wonderful cover for some good-old-fashioned Jew baiting, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/36 "2003-03-07T01:25:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by candida \* > \*\*Of course being anti-Israel doesn’t make you an Jew-hater and dragging up old Jew-hater myths may just be a matter of being naieve . . . on the other hand, stuff like wringing one’s hands over the Palestinians and ‘wondering’ about Jewish cover-ups of the ‘crimes’ of the IDF might well provide the most wonderful cover for some good-old-fashioned Jew baiting, don’t you think? \*\* Yep. I imagine that alot of Jew haters are also conservative christian types (I just saw a History Channel documentary about how American neo-nazis use Jesus & Hitler to further their cause), which must put them in a bind. On the one hand, they need Israel to take back the borders it held in antiquity for prophesy purposes, on the other hand they hate Jews and want them to convert. ---
**Author:** ![candida](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@candida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/candida)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/37 "2003-03-07T01:31:07Z")
I think you find they get around that set of contradictions with the farce known as ‘Christian Identity’. ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/38 "2003-03-07T01:58:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by candida \* > \*\*I think you find they get around that set of contradictions with the farce known as ‘Christian Identity’. \*\* I’m not familiar with that. ---
**Author:** ![martin\_ibn\_martin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@martin\_ibn\_martin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martin_ibn_martin)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/39 "2003-03-07T02:16:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MC Master of Cermonies \* > \*\*Yes, did you know that nearly all the staff on the Jewish Times, Jewish News and the Jerusalem Post are Jewish? > > Conincidence? > > Unlikely. \*\* Most of the staff of the Christian Science Monitor are Jewish as well. Devious! ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369/40 "2003-03-07T02:26:26Z")
**js\_africanus** : The Christian Identity Movement consists of relugiously-inspired racist nutjobs who believe that white Anglo-saxons are the real descendants of the ancient Israelites and are therefore the true Biblical “Chosen People”, not the Jews ( who are descendants of a union between Eve and Satan ). All other races are mere soulless “mud people”. - Tamerlane [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-control-of-media/159369.md?page=3)