# Jewish influence in Politics and the Media Coincidence or Conspiracy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 25, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506 "2013-07-25T17:32:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/41 "2013-07-25T19:14:43Z")
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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/42 "2013-07-25T19:15:28Z")
> [@12741](#): > > No, but it was a fact that I think most people are less aware of. If I made it about Africans being better at physical activities like Football, Basketball or Running, that wouldn’t be that surprising becuase those are things done wide open in public view and is common knowledge. > > Making it about this subject however, I thought it might prompt a deeper discussion since it inolves politics and people who have significant social influence, yet are not commonly known to be of the same ethnicity. The presence of Rupert Murdoch in your list shows that you are basing it only on a maternal ancestor of his, and then I have to suspect even more unsavory sources for your peculiar ideas. Murdoch is not a practicing Jew, far from it, he is more involved with the faith of his catholic wife and has been on the record getting into trouble for saying things like the OP. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/43 "2013-07-25T19:15:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The mods generally don’t do that here. They do sometimes flush a thread down the memory-hole, but only if the OP has been banned; otherwise the most they do is lock it. ---
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/44 "2013-07-25T19:17:15Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The presence of Rupert Murdoch in your list shows that you are basing it only on a maternal ancestor of his, and then I have to suspect even more unsavory sources for your peculiar ideas. Murdoch is not a practicing Jew, far from it, he is more involved with the faith of his catholic wife and has been on the record getting into trouble for saying things like the OP. I linked to most of my sources in the first post. Wikipedia, the Jpost, and some random site I found. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/45 "2013-07-25T19:20:52Z")
> [@12741](#): > > I linked to most of my sources in the first post. Wikipedia, the Jpost, and some random site I found. That is the trouble. In any case, just a moment ago you owned what you claimed, if you concentrated on the sources and cites then we could see if you are correct or not, as it is, there is not much to go on but to conclude that you are the one who is a willful ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/46 "2013-07-25T19:22:05Z")
“if you concentrated on the sources and cites then we could see if you are correct or not” What do you mean? I linked to them. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/47 "2013-07-25T19:24:37Z")
Jesus was a Jew. So you must hate Jesus. So you must be a Jew. Don’t be offended, I’m just asking questions. ---
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/48 "2013-07-25T19:25:17Z")
Here’s another souce, it is a Jewish website, so I didn’t think this subject was THAT touchy. [http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/](http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/49 "2013-07-25T19:28:51Z")
Leaving open the possibility of Conspiracy is what is getting you into trouble. There is no way to posit the possibility of a Jewish conspiracy that controls the media and government with out coming across as anti-Semitic. As others have said the most likely answer to your OP is neither It may be that Jewish culture stresses education and intellectualism, such that a more than representative number of cultural Jews reach high levels of society. Not coincidental, but not a conspiracy either. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/50 "2013-07-25T19:32:20Z")
> [@12741](#): > > Here’s another souce, it is a Jewish website, so I didn’t think this subject was THAT touchy. > > [http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/](http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/) That is an opinion piece, from an \*\*anonymous \*\*writer. (seems to be mostly an opinion area with parodies like Colbert and the Onion). Again, just the presence of Murdoch in your list shows how silly is to depend on Wikipedia or random sources. ---
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/51 "2013-07-25T19:32:45Z")
I’m not really that convinced that there is any sort of conspiracy. When there is such similarity of people in different fields who have similar beliefs, I thought I could get a good discussion going by phrasing the question about the similarities in such a way that I presented two opposite extremes, thus leaving anything in between as a possible viewpoint. Coincidence, meaning nothing is related, Conspiracy, meaning everything is related, or somewhere in between. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/52 "2013-07-25T19:35:35Z")
> [@12741](#): > > When there is such similarity of people in different fields who have similar beliefs… Aside from the beliefs that make them similar in the first place, i.e. Judaism, what other similarities are there? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/53 "2013-07-25T19:36:21Z")
> [@12741](#): > > I’m not really that convinced that there is any sort of conspiracy. > > When there is such similarity of people in different fields who have similar beliefs, I thought I could get a good discussion going by phrasing the question about the similarities in such a way that I presented two opposite extremes, thus leaving anything in between as a possible viewpoint. Coincidence, meaning nothing is related, Conspiracy, meaning everything is related, or somewhere in between. You must be new at this. Not your antisemitism, but the attempt to generate “discussion” on a non-antisemitic message board. ---
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/54 "2013-07-25T19:37:48Z")
Many have similar political beliefs, which I thought was interesting. They are very intelligent, yet seem to agree with each other politically. They don’t seem to be so divided politically as gentile white people are. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/55 "2013-07-25T19:38:01Z")
There are also crackpot conspiracy theories. The vast majority are. Again, when you continue to not even acknowledge that Murdoch is not a Jew that points to everyone just assuming that you are just looking at crackpot sources that point to weak or misleading cites. ---
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/56 "2013-07-25T19:39:58Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > You must be new at this. Not your antisemitism, but the attempt to generate “discussion” on a non-antisemitic message board. I’m not interested in discussing this with anti-semites. I’m not anti-semitic. I’m not against Jews. I’m interested in discussing attributes they have, not talking against them. ---
**Author:** ![12741](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/c2a13f/32.png) [@12741](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/12741)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/57 "2013-07-25T19:41:04Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > There are also crackpot conspiracy theories. The vast majority are. > > Again, when you continue to not even acknowledge that Murdoch is not a Jew that points to everyone just assuming that you are just looking at crackpot sources that point to weak or misleading cites. Did you check my sources? Tell me your thoughts on those. I gave them to you. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/58 "2013-07-25T19:42:29Z")
> [@12741](#): > > Many have similar political beliefs, which I thought was interesting. They are very intelligent, yet seem to agree with each other politically. They don’t seem to be so divided politically as gentile white people are. On what do you base this conclusion about similar political beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/59 "2013-07-25T19:42:55Z")
> [@12741](#): > > Many have similar political beliefs, which I thought was interesting. They are very intelligent, yet seem to agree with each other politically. They don’t seem to be so divided politically as gentile white people are. You wouldn’t just happen to be a “gentile white person”, would you? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506/60 "2013-07-25T19:43:58Z")
> [@12741](#): > > Many have similar political beliefs, which I thought was interesting. They are very intelligent, yet seem to agree with each other politically. They don’t seem to be so divided politically as gentile white people are. First off, copy and pasting from a list does not in any way given you a representative sample of a population - so it’s a bad basis for making this kind of statement. Second, you called some very famous conservatives liberal, which just made you look uninformed. Third, no, these people don’t all agree with each other. Saying Bernie Sanders and Michael Bloomberg share the same political outlook is totally ignorant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-in-politics-and-the-media-coincidence-or-conspiracy/664506.md?page=4)