# Jewish influence over the president candidates (Trump and Clinton) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770 "2015-10-16T01:02:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![nicky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@nicky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nicky)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/21 "2015-10-16T07:22:31Z")
Sanders is jewish and seems the least uncritically pro-Israel of the candidates. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/22 "2015-10-16T10:26:28Z")
> [@nicky](#): > > Sanders is jewish and seems the least uncritically pro-Israel of the candidates. In fairness, I believe he’s the only candidate who hasn’t accepted a Jew as his Lord. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/23 "2015-10-16T10:42:27Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > It’s US connection with Israel that is my issue, not Judaism as such You’ll be amazed how quickly this will get drowned out\*. - The Straight Dope: Fighting Ignorance since 1973 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/24 "2015-10-16T10:50:42Z")
If I looked real hard, I could find a particular sect of a particular religion whose members exercise far too much power over US politicians, to the extent that they heavily influence public policy, working to deny people some basic rights based on rigid religious beliefs. (Hint: it ain’t Jews.) ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/25 "2015-10-16T11:15:53Z")
By the same reasoning: Jeb Bush is married to a woman born in Mexico. (Note: She’s not just Mexican-American. She was actually born in Mexico.) He converted to her religion. Thus Jeb Bush is far more likely to be unduly influenced by the government of Mexico than Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton is to be unduly influenced by the government of Israel. The above is ridiculous reasoning. Welcome to the U.S. in 2015. Everybody marries everybody else. You can’t find enough people who have no relations that fall outside your personal definition of what a “real American” is. We’re all in this together, and you’ve got to get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/26 "2015-10-16T11:34:49Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > We’re all in this together, and you’ve got to get used to it. Whoa nelly! There are folks who sure want you to believe that, yet when you see the direction of foreign policy and trace the direction of money it kind of looks different. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/27 "2015-10-16T11:58:25Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Whoa nelly! There are folks who sure want you to believe that, yet when you see the direction of foreign policy and trace the direction of money it kind of looks different. It’s my understanding that the massive amounts of aid given to Israel (and Egypt, incidentally) are spent at least partly to buy weapons from American manufacturers. In addition to being foreign aid, it’s also _domestic_ aid, essentially a subsidy to American defense companies. If religion is _not_ the issue, though, why _not_ support Israel? It’s an oasis of democracy surrounded by dictatorial states ranging from relatively benign to full-on totalitarian. On that basis alone, they’d get _my_ sympathy. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/28 "2015-10-16T12:06:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s my understanding that the massive amounts of aid given to Israel (and Egypt, incidentally) are spent at least partly to buy weapons from American manufacturers. In addition to being foreign aid, it’s also _domestic_ aid, essentially a subsidy to American defense companies. > If religion is _not_ the issue, though, why _not_ support Israel? It’s an oasis of democracy surrounded by dictatorial states ranging from relatively benign to full-on totalitarian. On that basis alone, they’d get _my_ sympathy. As you say it’s aid when given, but by the same token it’s a subsidy to the production. Even allowing for that, it’s not really ‘aid’ so much as entrenching a regional superpower from whom you hope to extract some return. Like perhaps an an adherence to recognised human rights values on those it dominates … ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/29 "2015-10-16T12:23:05Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > It’s US connection with Israel that is my issue, not Judaism as such > [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > You’ll be amazed how quickly this will get drowned out\*. > > - The Straight Dope: Fighting Ignorance since 1973 Given that the title and the first post specify “Jewish” and “known or reasonably inferred supporters of Israel and certain aspects of her policies that I will not make the effort to explicate”, is that unreasonable? The OP said “Jewish”, it’s not unreasonable for think he meant Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/30 "2015-10-16T12:47:55Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > How much Jewish influence is present over the two top-candidates Well, I’m Jewish and have no influence with either of them. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/31 "2015-10-16T13:01:11Z")
Well, i’m Jewish as well. Not practicing but still, ethnically jewish as far back as the eye can see. Just the other day I influenced a publicly traded multi-billion dollar global private equity corporation to implement a major fundamental IT policy change. The POWER!!! MWAAA-HA-HA-HA! Imagine what I can do if I become an observant Jew. OP has reason to fear me. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/32 "2015-10-16T13:06:06Z")
Hey **Scandic**! Why don’t you convert? Then you can influence presidential candidates also. It’s real easy to do. Unless you’re a guy, there might be this one part you won’t enjoy that much. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/33 "2015-10-16T13:21:04Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s my understanding that the massive amounts of aid given to Israel (and Egypt, incidentally) are spent at least partly to buy weapons from American manufacturers. In addition to being foreign aid, it’s also _domestic_ aid, essentially a subsidy to American defense companies. Shhhhh. Ix-nay on the eaponsway urchasingpay!! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/34 "2015-10-16T13:57:57Z")
**Scandic** , why do you care? You don’t even live here. You, a foreigner, are directly attempting to influence the outcome of the US election _right now_. What’s \*your \*son-in-law’s religion? I think the voters have a right to know. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/35 "2015-10-16T14:14:03Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > I agree that the voters should not vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. My reasons for believing this are somewhat different than yours, however. This +1. Or even more, for any of the other candidates. I don’t see US foreign policy is affected by Presidential grandchildren, if any, and their foreskins, if any. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/36 "2015-10-16T14:21:16Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Given that the title and the first post specify “Jewish” and “known or reasonably inferred supporters of Israel and certain aspects of her policies that I will not make the effort to explicate”, is that unreasonable? > > The OP said “Jewish”, it’s not unreasonable for think he meant Jewish. You really need help working out that out? Suggest an alternative construction. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/37 "2015-10-16T14:25:24Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > You really need help working out that out? > > Suggest an alternative construction. Considering that the thread originator has previously expressed sadness that Bernie Sanders is Jewish, I think it’s reasonable to believe that he has negative feelings towards Jews, and it’s reasonable interpret his OP in that light. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/38 "2015-10-16T14:52:31Z")
We all know those crafty American Jews are in lockstep agreement about Israel, their true home, right? [Nope, turns out that their opinions vary](http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/), like any other ethnic group. 30% of those surveyed were “very” emotionally attached to Israel, 39% were “somewhat”, and 31% were “not at all”. They were similarly split on questions about settlement building, whether Israel was divinely granted to the Jewish people, and other related matters. Conflating Jewish people with unwavering support for Israel remains bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/39 "2015-10-16T14:55:25Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > We all know those crafty American Jews are in lockstep agreement about Israel, their true home, right? > > [Nope, turns out that their opinions vary](http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/), like any other ethnic group. 30% of those surveyed were “very” emotionally attached to Israel, 39% were “somewhat”, and 31% were “not at all”. They were similarly split on questions about settlement building, whether Israel was divinely granted to the Jewish people, and other related matters. Conflating Jewish people with unwavering support for Israel remains bigotry. Absurd. Jews are well known for sharing exactly the same opinion on every subject. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/40 "2015-10-16T15:18:57Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Absurd. Jews are well known for sharing exactly the same opinion on every subject. But they’re so crafty that they fabricate the appearance of being, y’know, people, like everyone else? I fear you may be right. Each Jewish person is presumably told by their local Elder of Zion how to respond to polls and what opinions to voice, so as to propagate this Big Lie. I’ll alert the OP, he’ll want to know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770.md?page=3)