# Jewish influence over the president candidates (Trump and Clinton) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770 "2015-10-16T01:02:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/101 "2015-10-17T02:23:51Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > Is it ? > > **Haim Saban** is an is an Israeli and American media proprietor and investor who have supported Hillary Clinton. He’s donated a total of [$3 million](http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/311429/billionaires-saban-and-soros-pour-3m-into-hillary-clinton-campaign/) to the presidential campaign of Hillary. > > Saban, a long-time supporter and donor of many pro-Jewish and Israel causes, has stated his main goal in multiple interviews: [“I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.”](http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/hillary-clinton-tells-israeli-billionaire-and-mega-donor-she-will-support-israel) **[Farris and Dan Wilks](http://prospect.org/article/meet-billionaire-brothers-you-never-heard-who-fund-religious-right)** are Christian fundamentalist brothers. Together they have donated literally many dozens of millions of dollars to Far Christian Religious Right causes. Recently [$15 million](http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/25/politics/ted-cruz-wilks-brothers/) to the presidential campaign of Ted Cruz. They have stated their goals in interviews and are motivated by opposition to abortion, opposition to gay rights and gay marriage, the teaching of the Bible in school, and the Biblical literacy an inerrancy of their sect, the Assembly of Yahweh. Although, hey, some consider their sect to be influenced by Judaism some, so there’s that. [Tom Steyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Steyer) has a Jewish father and is a major donor to environmental issues. Beware. George Soros has donated to a host of liberal, environmental, and social justice causes as well as supporting putting pressure on the Israeli government to stop settlements and make better efforts to a two-state solution. Truth be told few American Jews have knee-jerk support of whatever any particular Israeli administration does (heck, few have knee-jerk support for whatever any particular American administration does either). [J Street](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/magazine/13JStreet-t.html?pagewanted=all) has grown to try to be an American Jewish counter-weight to Aipac. > [@](#): > > On the fundamental questions of Middle East peace, J Street occupies fairly traditional liberal territory, which of course places it well to the left of the mainstream groups. According to its “statement of principles,” the group favors “creation of a viable Palestinian state as part of a negotiated two-state solution, based on the 1967 borders with agreed reciprocal land swaps” — the formula envisioned by the Clinton administration in its 2000 negotiations with Yasir Arafat and Ehud Barak. Ben-Ami says he also favors Jerusalem as the shared capital of the two states. On the question of talks with Hamas, classed as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, J Street takes the cautious view that while we should not speak directly with officials, we should engage through intermediaries with the goal of finding interlocutors willing to live in peace with Israel. > > J Street maintains that most American Jews share its views on the Middle East. They are reliably liberal on questions of war and peace; three-quarters of Jewish respondents to a 2007 Gallup poll, for example, opposed the war in Iraq. The question is how much of an exception they make for Israel. J Street sought to answer this question by commissioning an extensive poll of Jewish opinion on Middle East issues. The survey, taken in July 2008 and repeated with almost identical findings in March, found that American Jews opposed further Israeli settlements (60 percent to 40 percent), that they overwhelmingly supported the proposition that the U.S. should be actively engaged in the peace process even if that entailed “publicly stating its disagreements with both the Israelis and the Arabs” and that they strongly supported doing so even when the premise was revised to “publicly stating its disagreements with Israel.” Strikingly, the average respondent placed Israel eighth among a list of concerns; only 8 percent placed it first or second. Israel just is not a top concern, let alone the only concern, for most American Jews. And for single issue focus the Christian Religious Right is the powerhouse. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/102 "2015-10-17T02:23:52Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > She’s taking a “wife” job from an American woman, you know! It is a job? I believed they were enslaved. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/103 "2015-10-17T02:24:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I guess some people don’t or won’t get it, but the “Jewish influence” thing in American politics is simply stupid. There’s no other word for it; it’s flatly, incontestably stupid. It is, consequently, difficult to take seriously. > > Bear in mind that we are talking about a Western democracy in which the influence of seriously hard core Christianity is incredibly high, vastly more so than in any other advanced nation. It is quite literally the case that fundamentalist Christianity is so influential in the USA that Republican candidates for President are essentially not allowed to admit they believe in rudimentary scientific facts, and candidates who are obviously not practicing Christians have to _pretend_ they are. Even Donald Trump, legitimately a political outsider and maverick politician, had to go through the motions of saying the Bible was his favourite book, even though it obviously is not, to appease millions of zealous evangelicals. > > It may be that you do not notice this because you simply take it for granted. Sometimes things are so big we don’t see them. > > To look at a nation in the thrall and control of evangelical Christianity and then propose it is unduly influenced by a tiny little religion that has rarely influenced much of anything is simply preposterous and unworthy of debate. It’s as if a man was brought into a hospital after being set on fire, with third degree burns to 75% of his body, and the doctor looks at him and doesn’t see the charred flesh and insists the man needs a better haircut. While I agree with everything you’ve said there is a bit more to it. Some people in the US and abroad don’t think Israel is in the right currently regarding the West Bank and Gaza, disagree all you like with that assesment I dont think antisemitism is necessarily the reason. American support is always unwavering whatever mild criticisms our politicians might muster. America can choose to apply pressure to Israel to achieve their aims, which may not be the aims of the political party in charge of Israel. Too bad, thats how diplomacy works. Yet it repeatedly does not. So I can understand this chaffing coming from some place other than hate for the Jewish people. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/104 "2015-10-17T02:31:53Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Or spell. Fucking English. Untrustwourthy baustaurds. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/105 "2015-10-17T02:43:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Well, i’m Jewish as well. Not practicing but still, ethnically jewish as far back as the eye can see. > > Just the other day I influenced a publicly traded multi-billion dollar global private equity corporation to implement a major fundamental IT policy change. > > The POWER!!! MWAAA-HA-HA-HA! > > Imagine what I can do if I become an observant Jew. OP has reason to fear me. See, I haven’t even gotten this year’s Zionist Card in the mail yet. How am I supposed to get into all the cool control-the-world meetings now? That’s what ya get for eating bacon . . . ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/106 "2015-10-17T03:04:37Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > Good point So, retard, the fact that one Jew supports Israel means the Jews control American politics. You’re right, that is a good point, a point that you are a racist bigoted retarded retard racist piece of shit who probably fucks his mothers’ asshole on a nightly basis. Good job Incest. You are making your point swimmingly. Retard. Why don’t you go be a terrorist somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/107 "2015-10-17T03:19:45Z")
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**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/108 "2015-10-17T03:57:42Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > So, retard, the fact that one Jew supports Israel means the Jews control American politics. > > You’re right, that is a good point, a point that you are a racist bigoted retarded retard racist piece of shit who probably fucks his mothers’ asshole on a nightly basis. Good job Incest. You are making your point swimmingly. Retard. > > Why don’t you go be a terrorist somewhere else. QFT and lulz ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/109 "2015-10-17T12:14:11Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > How does the OP feel about the ongoing political influence from Republican Fundigelical Christians? > > SWEET! I’ve got Jewish family on one side, and Masons on the other. > > I AM THE ILLUMINATI! PHEAR ME! Sounds like they could build a really strong bank. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/110 "2015-10-17T12:18:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It is a job? I believed they were enslaved. 😕 Not anymore and / or not yet. They can now vote, own property, refuse sex, retain custody of their children, and in many place make reproductive decisions. Oh, and it’s not legal to beat them anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/111 "2015-10-17T13:55:13Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > But what sort of solution do you expect he’ll come up with? A FINAL one, I’m sure… Really, no one else came up with that? I’m also surprised that the connection between Israel, Evangelical Christianity and end time prophecy hasn’t been mentioned as it can be seen as the driving force behind much of the Republican right wing support for Israel. > **[On the Road to Armageddon](https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/end-times/on-the-road-to-armageddon.aspx)** > > How evangelicals became Israel's best friend. ---
**Author:** ![Scandic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Scandic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scandic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/112 "2015-10-17T15:12:27Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m also surprised that the connection between Israel, Evangelical Christianity and end time prophecy hasn’t been mentioned as it can be seen as the driving force behind much of the Republican right wing support for Israel. **[60 Minutes - Zion’s Christian Soldiers](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/zions-christian-soldiers/)** > [@](#): > > What’s the number one item on the agenda of the Christian Right? Abortion? School Prayer? No and No. Believe it or not, what’s most important to a lot of conservative Christians is the Jewish State. Israel: Its size, its strength, and its survival. Why? > > For Christians who interpret the bible in a literal fashion, Israel has a crucial role to play in bringing on the Second Coming of Christ. > [@](#): > > Countless millions of Americans are reading a series of novels called “Left Behind.” These novels are topping bestseller lists all over the country and they’re being made into movies. They chronicle apocalyptic times, and the setting is the 21st century, complete with war planes and TV correspondents. > However, the plot is ripped from the pages of the Bible, so it all winds up here in Israel where, according to the Book of Revelations, the final battle in the history of the future will be fought on an ancient battlefield in northern Israel called Armageddon. > > And the Jews? Well, two-thirds of them will have been wiped out by now. But the survivors will accept Jesus at last. I think that the Christian right in USA needs a reality check! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/113 "2015-10-17T15:32:28Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > I think that the Christian right in USA needs a reality check! Credit where credit’s due, truer words were never spoken. ---
**Author:** ![IDtenT\_Error](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@IDtenT\_Error](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IDtenT_Error)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/114 "2015-10-17T20:35:58Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > And I learned two years ago that jobs were being offshored to China [because Mitch McConnell married a woman who moved to the US from Taiwan when she was 8.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/26/progress-kentucky-mitch-mcconnell-wife_n_2767404.html) > [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > She’s taking a “wife” job from an American woman, you know! Haven’t you been listening to the immigration debate? There are some jobs Americans just won’t do. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/115 "2015-10-17T21:32:39Z")
> [@IDtenT\_Error](#): > > Haven’t you been listening to the immigration debate? There are some jobs Americans just won’t do. More importantly, there are some jobs that married American women won’t do! ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/116 "2015-10-17T21:34:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > More importantly, there are some jobs that married American women won’t do! Anal? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/117 "2015-10-17T22:33:49Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > Is it ? > > **Haim Saban** is an is an Israeli and American media proprietor and investor who have supported Hillary Clinton. He’s donated a total of [$3 million](http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/311429/billionaires-saban-and-soros-pour-3m-into-hillary-clinton-campaign/) to the presidential campaign of Hillary. > > Saban, a long-time supporter and donor of many pro-Jewish and Israel causes, has stated his main goal in multiple interviews: [“I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.”](http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/hillary-clinton-tells-israeli-billionaire-and-mega-donor-she-will-support-israel) Oh shove it up your ass, you fucking Nazi racist. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/118 "2015-10-17T23:42:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > A FINAL one, I’m sure… > > Really, no one else came up with that? I know! Jeez, I lob one nice and slow into the strike zone and nobody swings for twenty hours? This board has changed. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Scandic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Scandic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scandic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/119 "2015-10-17T23:59:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If religion is _not_ the issue, though, why _not_ support Israel? It’s an oasis of democracy surrounded by dictatorial states ranging from relatively benign to full-on totalitarian. On that basis alone, they’d get _my_ sympathy. You should stay off the booze when you’re posting ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770/120 "2015-10-18T00:09:36Z")
> [@Scandic](#): > > You should stay off the booze when you’re posting You should take the swastika out of your ass when you’re posting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-influence-over-the-president-candidates-trump-and-clinton/734770.md?page=7)