# Jews and the Apocalypse

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-and-the-apocalypse/712872>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [February 17, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-and-the-apocalypse/712872 "2015-02-17T00:05:29Z")\
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**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\
**Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-and-the-apocalypse/712872/21 "2015-02-19T21:00:42Z")

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> [@mbh](#):
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> The Flood, or the expulsion from Eden? What was Abel doing with his flocks?

I’m pretty sure it was the Flood. Before that, presumably Abel was tending animals for fur, to yoke plows to and most significantly to offer up as sacrifices.

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**Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-and-the-apocalypse/712872/22 "2015-02-19T21:15:54Z")

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> [@Captain\_Amazing](#):
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> Just the righteous dead. No Hitler.

The Catholic Church allows for the possibility of universal salvation, although belief in universal salvation is not widely held (for a notable exception, check out Julian of Norwich).

So yes, it’s possible that Hitler (and Stalin, and Pol Pot, and all the other dead villains you can think of) are in Heaven right now (or at least in Purgatory), and will rise from the dead at the end of the world.

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**Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-and-the-apocalypse/712872/23 "2015-02-19T21:17:29Z")

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It looks like I was right

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> hese verses indicate that in the Garden of Eden – the ideal utopian existence – Man and beast were to share the same herbal diet. At this time, Man was forbidden by God to kill animals for food. (Permission was granted to Noah, only after the Flood, which took place many generations later.) In other words, according to the Torah, the ideal world as represented by the state of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is that people should be vegetarians!

From here [http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/Vegetarianism\_and\_Historys\_First\_Murder.html](http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/Vegetarianism_and_Historys_First_Murder.html)

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