# Jews = Christ-killers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 16, 2002, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905 "2002-04-16T07:21:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2002, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/41 "2002-04-16T22:27:37Z")
Listen, people. This discussion is going nowhere. Can we just “agree to agree” and be done with it? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2002, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/42 "2002-04-16T23:00:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > the Israelis killing Jesus again by their current actions? > > The Palestinians aren’t Christian, by and large, but Muslim. I don’t see the connection. What **LindyHopper** said. Also, the majority of Palestinians ( a rapidly decreasing majority to be sure, but 65% last figures I saw ) in Bethlehem, are, in fact, Christian 🙂 . Palestinian Christians have been emigrating out of the occupied territories in particular and the Middle East in general at fairly high rates for some time now, so they are a decreasing percentage of the Palestinian population on the ground in that region. But worldwide there are quite a few Palestinian Christians ( though they’ve certainly never been the majority ), overwhelmingly of Greek Orthodox persuasion. And, yes, most seem to share the prevalent anti-Israeli sentiments of Palestinians generally. Yasser Arafat’s wife is Christian and he has made some attempt ( and has had some success ) to co-opt said group. The rising popularity of militant Islamist groups such as Islamic Jihad among Palestinians in recent years ( who traditionally were rather more secular in outlook ), has however created a wedge. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/43 "2002-04-16T23:05:40Z")
Oh and I believe one of Arafat’s former cabinet ministers in the Palestinian Authority was Christian as well. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/44 "2002-04-17T00:12:35Z")
The Jews killing Jesus makes Jesus cry. Three days later, of course. Otherwise it would just be weird. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/45 "2002-04-17T02:46:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tony \* > **But when you are dealing with a shit-for-brains monkey, you have to hit him with all you got.** That has been my philosophy the whole time. Thank you for articulating it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/46 "2002-04-17T02:58:55Z")
Excuse me, but I believe you fellows are posting in the wrong thread. The “How about we condemn the Palestinians AND the Israelis?” thread is elsewhere. We were discussing something else entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Anamorphic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anamorphic/32/3057_2.png) [@Anamorphic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anamorphic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/47 "2002-04-17T05:21:53Z")
We Jews had nothing to do with it. I’m telling you, it was Prof. Plum, in the conservatory, with the candlestick. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/48 "2002-04-17T06:35:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by adam yax \* > \*\*Let me see if I have this straight… You are saying that there were a group of people known as Christians who were sitting around waiting for somebody who could be their messiah to be sacrificed? Man how lucky did they get that the one guy who fit the bill had the last name Christ? :rolleyes: \*\* Actually you know - it raises something I hadn’t really thought much about - but Christian teaching (at least the teaching I got) is very retrospective. Very much about Jesus-having-died-but-he-was-supposed-to-anyway. Lots of filling in the gaps and inconsistencies to fit a certain picture, whether OT prophecies were truly fulfilled or not, or fulfilled in the way they were supposed to be. A bit like how people pick through Nostradamus today to find stuff that “fits” with modern events. But that’s the retrospective Christian viewpoint they taught us, the “sacrificial lamb” thing. Like the “felix culpa” - yes, Adam fell, but he was supposed to fall, so it was actually a good thing even though brought about by evil. Convenient… ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/49 "2002-04-17T07:51:03Z")
Didn’t Lenny Bruce have a whole bit about this?- “They found a note. ‘We did it’. Signed ‘Morty’.” ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/50 "2002-04-17T08:21:49Z")
Besides, the Pharisees though that Yeshuah’s popularity will cause an uprising that will result in Israel’s total destruction by the Romans. The Romans certainly thought that he was a threat to the Empire, Pilate notwithstanding. Anyway, Jesus absolved his Roman executioners and the Jewish mob favoring his execution over Barrabas’, saying, “Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do.” ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/51 "2002-04-17T14:08:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by capacitor \* > \*\*Besides, the Pharisees though that Yeshuah’s popularity will cause an uprising that will result in Israel’s total destruction by the Romans. \*\* Which they’d get behind. (the uprising part, not the total destruction part) It’s not like the Pharisees liked the Romans, and most of them wanted to see them overthrown. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/52 "2002-04-17T15:59:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Your friend is totally right. > > I, a Jew, personally killed Jesus. Yeah, **Laurange** , but can you sing the _Herzliebster Jesu_? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Spiratu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Spiratu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiratu)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2002, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/53 "2002-04-17T19:54:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by capacitor \* > \*\*Anyway, Jesus absolved his Roman executioners and the Jewish mob favoring his execution over Barrabas’, saying, “Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do.” \*\* Hey, keep your compassionate, wimpy forgiveness out of here! This is the Pit, and we’re looking for a scapegoat. If we ever need some wacko religion where we could just go and “forgive” people for things, we’ll call you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2002, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/54 "2002-04-18T05:49:09Z")
I used to be a Lutheran, before I started my own sort of Dadaist cult (don’t ask; that’s a topic for another day), and I always thought the crux of the biscuit was that WE KILLED JESUS, “we” meaning humanity as a whole. The whole thing could thus be interpreted as proving that, yes, human weakness always triumphs over human goodness, but God’s grace prevails in the end (as shown by the Resurrection). Then again, you know what? Don’t ask me. I just read the Bible for the dirty parts. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2002, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/55 "2002-04-18T06:36:08Z")
Hey Spiratu, don’t stop eating donkey shit.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2002, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/56 "2002-04-18T16:17:52Z")
One thing that has been running through my mind since I first read this thread is the uproar several years ago about an Ice T song, _Cop Killer_ (or is it \* Cop Killa\*?) I am also envisioning a secret police squad running around with pork coated bullets to shoot wayward Jews. We Jews be ill. We be Christ Killaz. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2002, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/57 "2002-04-18T17:10:31Z")
**Tamerlane** and **LindyHopper** - Point taken, although I would expect most of those in Hamas and Hezbollah are at least nominally Muslim, and they are the ones the IDF would say they are acting against. It didn’t occur to me to link the cartoon to the hole-up in the Church of the Nativity. So either I am obtuse, or the cartoon was too subtle to get its point across. Or both. Besides, the Jews didn’t kill baby Jesus in Bethlehem. Herod took a shot at it, but Joseph took Mary and Jesus and beat feet off to Egypt. FWIW, the Romans actually did the execution of our Lord. Pilate is presented as considering it an internal matter among the Jews, and he consented to crucify Jesus to forestall a riot during Passover. What the heck - I’m feeling generous. I officially absolve all living Jews from the blood guilt of the death of Jesus. Go in peace, you’re off the hook. Didn’t the pope officially do this a few years back? Someone then asked who was responsible. The response I heard was that they suspected the Puerto Ricans. Regards, Shodan All right, all right - I’m joking about the PRs. Sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2002, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/58 "2002-04-18T17:17:09Z")
**Tamerlane** and **LindyHopper** - Point taken, although I would expect most of those in Hamas and Hezbollah are at least nominally Muslim, and they are the ones the IDF would say they are acting against. It didn’t occur to me to link the cartoon to the hole-up in the Church of the Nativity. So either I am obtuse, or the cartoon was too subtle to get its point across. Or both. Besides, the Jews didn’t kill baby Jesus in Bethlehem. Herod took a shot at it, but Joseph took Mary and Jesus and beat feet off to Egypt. FWIW, the Romans actually did the execution of our Lord. Pilate is presented as considering it an internal matter among the Jews, and he consented to crucify Jesus to forestall a riot during Passover. What the heck - I’m feeling generous. I officially absolve all living Jews from the blood guilt of the death of Jesus. Go in peace, you’re off the hook. Didn’t the pope officially do this a few years back? Someone then asked who was responsible. The response I heard was that they suspected the Puerto Ricans. Regards, Shodan All right, all right - I’m joking about the PRs. Sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2002, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905/59 "2002-04-18T17:57:15Z")
Shodan, you may be thinking of the theory that God is Puerto Rican, based on the name of His only begotten son. Daniel [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-christ-killers/103905.md?page=2)