Do you make it a personal goal to see just how far you can go being disingenuous?
Context is important in all conversations.
(First, you blew it by inserting the word “the” into your purported headline.)
However, even getting past that, there are multiple differences. Greece and Germany are nations that can, indeed, act as recognizable independent agents. The fact that you used the nationalities, together, is a clear sign that you were talking about the political nations. (And, of course, the economic situations of both nations over the last few years would have provided a context that was immediately apparent to most readers.)
Beyond that, there is already a meme that “Jews” are crafty, untrustworthy people. Using the word Jews as posted in the title evokes a rather different image than using the name of a country to identify who provided aid to another country.
The Hasidic kids were previously getting inferior educations by choice, and by their own design; they chose to send their kids to private schools that didn’t teach English and math. They had every right and option to send their kids to public school, but that they didn’t is not the fault of the public school parents. There is no being hoist on their own petard going on here.
If they HAD sent their kids to public schools and then taken over the school board, I would have no problem with what they’ve done. Of course, had they done that, they wouldn’t have proceeded to purposely ruin the schools they were in charge of. They not only have no skin in the game, they have benefits to losing the game on purpose.
Even other Orthodox Jewish groups are coming out against what this group did.
Does it happen every day including the appraiser that gave the low appraisal that the sale was based on pleading guilty for being bribed by the buyer? The courts stepped in and stopped the sale. This doesn’t happen all day every day.
Your implication above was that the sale at below market value might have been appropriate and above board, as this is sometimes appropriate. But, this is a settled issue in this case. The courts stepped in and said that it was not appropriate in this case.
I did not mean to imply anything was kosher with it, in fact I said I had not read the thread in its entirety, which includes any of the links. I probably shouldn’t even comment, as I don’t know much about this case. My point was one not need be a Jew to sell under FMV.
But I won’t post here again without reading, cuz that makes me look sillyish.
Maybe by there parents’ choice, but not the kids. The school board, regardless of who is on it, has an obligation to ensure that the kids in their district receive a proper education. Looking the other way because they are not “their” kids is pretty disgraceful even if the kids’ parents are stupid.
But you are ignoring that these schools are still by law under the purview of the BoE (AFAICT) and are required to provide a good education. They only got away with failing to meet that obligation because the Board looked the other way. Additionally, even home schooled kids are held to certain standards.
I agree, but what can be done about such a thing generally? Just to be clear, I think what they did in total was really scummy and immoral. But I am not sure, how you can require people who win valid elections to have skin in the game.
If we say “Religious Extremists” instead of something anti-semitic, the OP conveys the issue best.
It doesn’t matter Which house of prayer did this, but that A house of prayer did that makes this news. I believe that there was something equally as horrible in Birmingham in the UK.
Wait, have you actually read the post or the articles before making your comments here? Do you think their actions weren’t motivated by Judaism? I’m very confused about what you’re saying here. I have no issue with the fact you can move posts as much as you want, this being one of the powers mods exercise and I frankly don’t care what forum this is in. But I don’t really understand why you’re acting like this is just some generic local concern and that is why a group of Orthodox Jews specifically selected a few prominent Hasidim to run for school board, take it over, and then structure things to their benefit. The entirety of their problem with the secular schools and school board was based on their religion.
Like I said to another post, nowhere have I said “all Jews in the world do this” or did this, in fact by specifying this is “East Ramapo School District” I think it makes it hyper-obvious this pertains to local government, unless someone is of the impression that “East Ramapo School District” is not a local government body.
I was opening this up for a discussion, but I pointed out I don’t really get that mad about it. Most everyone I had spoken to about it outside of the Internet got furious about the issue for some reason–being more involved in local government I saw it as par for the course, where local government is permitted to misbehave, they will.
There are a lot of posts in GD that are just opening things for discussion, like 90% of BrainGlutton’s posts. I later do actually make my core argument:
I didn’t feel I should include that in the OP as I wanted to give others a moment to comment and such.
I see no reason why they should be addressed separately, we’re talking about the same story but now in three parts? That’s illogical.
I felt no sympathy for the people on TAL who complained about being outvoted, but I never even brought that up.
No, because we wouldn’t allow that–but my point was that some things we do not allow democratic majorities to do, and I’d argue State standards need to be in place for quality of education and local school boards need to be held to those at the threat of takeover.
I would agree, I’m generally okay with private schools and groups like the Amish–as long as the Amish actually let their kids go to school as long as they are supposed to (I believe until 8th grade or maybe 16.)
I don’t have a problem with state funds going to private schools–Sweden does it for example and it works great. But I just was pointing out that is part of the story and the local school board previously wasn’t willing to bald-faced go against state law for understandable reasons.
I think more it was that it’s not that interesting at this point, they were already caught, some persons involved in it got in legitimate trouble for falsifying the appraisals and the sale was redone at an appropriate price. That part of the story is history/settled, the rest is ongoing.
It is not motivated by “Judaism.” One group of people in one community took this action. It is not something that one finds lots of Hasidic communities doing. It is certainly not something that one finds Jews doing, generally.
One group in one community who belong to one sect of a religion have taken an action. Your title suggested that it was, indeed, the actions motivated by a central tenet of the faith of all Jews.
If you do not like how people read your posts, do a better job of composing them.
Speaking in general - is it your position that any time someone wants to be on a school board but doesn’t have kids him/herself attending public schools, their purpose has to have an unworthy agenda? Really?
Having witnessed the workings of multiple school boards (including the “best face” presented at public meetings), I’d say simply wanting to assure a good education for children isn’t an overriding concern for many board members, whether or not their children are being educated in the schools they oversee.
Political ambition, ego, busybody attitudes, special interests (religion, sports*, curricular monkey business) motivate many of these people. If education was so important to them, they’d let education professionals handle matters much more commonly than actually occurs.
As a reporter I once covered a school board that was debating whether to renovate a high school or build a new one (for a lot more money). One board member declared he was for the new building, because it would have a positive influence on success of the school’s sports teams.
