# "Jews totally run Hollywood" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 4, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058 "2010-10-04T22:41:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/1 "2010-10-04T22:41:48Z")
The title of this OP was taken from [a column by Joel Stein in the LA Times](http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column) I was reminded of this column by the recent Rick Sanchez fiasco, and mainly by comments in the couple of related threads here on the SDMB that categorically stated that saying that Jews control the media is anti-semitic. And yet, here is Joel Stein: [QUOTE=Joel Stein from LA Times] I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood. How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah. … The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish. As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. [/QUOTE] Some questions: - Is he wrong? - Is he correct, but it’s only OK to say it in public if you are Jewish? - Are the facts correct, but do not translate to “Jews control Hollywood/the media”? - Are the facts correct, and translate to “Jews control Hollywood/the media”, but it’s not good to say so in public because that would provide fodder for anti-semites and crazy bigots of various kinds? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/2 "2010-10-04T22:51:14Z")
I believe the sentiment is wrong regardless of the facts. Some Jewish people may run Hollywood, but Jews as a unit, a single entity do not. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/3 "2010-10-04T22:56:44Z")
There are successful Jews in Hollywood. That does not mean that “the Jews” run Hollywood. There is no cabal or conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/4 "2010-10-04T22:58:04Z")
I have only one response to claims like the one in the OP: You’re welcome. Hollywood is one of the Jewish people’s greatest achievements. Why should we be ashamed to take credit? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/5 "2010-10-04T23:02:20Z")
_Hurray for Hollywood!_ Mr. Stein caught himself in a semantic, Semitic trap. “The Jews” refers to Jews collectively. And when you assign the accomplishments of a few individuals to the group as a whole, well you’re just being an idiot. Why should some schmoe in Hoboken get any credit for what a handful of Jewish Media Moguls did? > [@Alessan](#): > > Hollywood is one of the Jewish people’s greatest achievements. Why should we be ashamed to take credit? Because 99.9% of “the Jewish people” had bubkes to do with Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/6 "2010-10-04T23:05:38Z")
Well, there’s two ways to read “The Jews control Hollywood”. One is simply that a lot of higher up execs in Hollywood are Jewish, which seems pretty undeniably true. The other is that there’s some sort of organized group called “the Jews” whose members are at least somewhat formally organized to control Hollywood and protect each others interests. Sanchez’s comments seemed to at least suggest this latter case, which most poeple find offensive due to the association with “Elders of Zion” type conspiracy theories. In reality, I think a mixture of nepotism, “good old boy” networks and shared social connections tend to make a lot of industries dominated by one immigrant or social group. Jews in Hollywood tends to get more notice then, say, Greeks in shipping or Vietnamese in nail salons as Hollywood is a lot more prominant. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/7 "2010-10-04T23:06:34Z")
There’s a good book, Neil Gabler’s “An Empire of their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood”, which looks at the early Hollywood studio moguls, who were almost entirely Jewish, and how their background as first and second generation Jewish immigrants led to the shaping of Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/8 "2010-10-04T23:09:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > _Hurray for Hollywood!_ > > Mr. Stein caught himself in a semantic, Semitic trap. “The Jews” refers to Jews collectively. And when you assign the accomplishments of a few individuals to the group as a whole, well you’re just being an idiot. Why should some schmoe in Hoboken get any credit for what a handful of Jewish Media Moguls did? > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > Hollywood is one of the Jewish people’s greatest achievements. Why should we be ashamed to take credit? > > Because 99.9% of “the Jewish people” had bubkes to do with Hollywood. Bupkis. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/9 "2010-10-04T23:20:29Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > > [@John\_Mace](#): > > > > _Hurray for Hollywood!_ > > > > Mr. Stein caught himself in a semantic, Semitic trap. “The Jews” refers to Jews collectively. And when you assign the accomplishments of a few individuals to the group as a whole, well you’re just being an idiot. Why should some schmoe in Hoboken get any credit for what a handful of Jewish Media Moguls did? > > Because 99.9% of “the Jewish people” had bubkes to do with Hollywood. > > Bupkis. Bubkes is perfectly acceptable. In fact, I think it is the most correct spelling (there are other ways to spell it besides bupkis and bubkes). ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/10 "2010-10-04T23:23:30Z")
Up until very recently, did white people control Washington? As opposed to women, did men control, um, _everything_? If it’s not wrong to make those observations, why is it wrong to make a similar observation regarding Jews and Hollywood? ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/11 "2010-10-04T23:27:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There are successful Jews in Hollywood. That does not mean that “the Jews” run Hollywood. There is no cabal or conspiracy. > [@Simplicio](#): > > Well, there’s two ways to read “The Jews control Hollywood”. One is simply that a lot of higher up execs in Hollywood are Jewish, which seems pretty undeniably true. > > The other is that there’s some sort of organized group called “the Jews” whose members are at least somewhat formally organized to control Hollywood and protect each others interests. Even in the absence of a cabal or formally organized group to control Hollywood, does the fact that most if not all studios are run by a certain ethnic minority have an impact on the types of movies made? As an extreme example, are there any movies by the big studios that portray Jewish people in a negative light and the Palestinians in a positive light? (I’m not saying that there _should_ be such movies, just that there have to be some people who believe the Palestinians are in the right and would like to make a movie about it, but face getting their project greenlighted by a major studio) Besides the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, are there any aspects of Jewish identity & culture that come through in the types of movies that are made and the types of movies that are not made? For example, if Jews, statistically are more secular and more liberal than the population at large, does that translate into what gets put into film form? To summarize, even in the absence of a cabal, or concerted effort to “run things”, the fact that most studios are headed by people from a single ethnic minority could have an impact that would be similar to the case when there was a concerted effort to run things. ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/12 "2010-10-04T23:32:28Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Up until very recently, did white people control Washington? As opposed to women, did men control, um, _everything_? If it’s not wrong to make those observations, why is it wrong to make a similar observation regarding Jews and Hollywood? If some feminists in the 70s said that men control everything, that doesn’t mean that men have a secret cabal that is unified and secretly plots to keep women out and control the world. But, it is a fact that, if men are in all positions of power (which they were in the past), that affects the types of laws passed, the type of research that gets done, etc. So, even if “men” as a group did not plot to achieve certain goals, some of those goals were achieved nonetheless, simply by the fact that men were in the key spots in society. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/13 "2010-10-04T23:36:02Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > As an extreme example, are there any movies by the big studios that portray Jewish people in a negative light and the Palestinians in a positive light? (I’m not saying that there _should_ be such movies, just that there have to be some people who believe the Palestinians are in the right and would like to make a movie about it, but face getting their project greenlighted by a major studio) In my experience, Hollywood tends to stay away from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict like the plague. I can think of maybe four mainstream movies dealing with the subject since 1960 (for the record: _Exodus, The Little Drummer Girl, Munich_ and _Don’t Mess with the Zohan_, none of which portrayed a black and white conflict). ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/14 "2010-10-04T23:47:27Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > There are successful Jews in Hollywood. That does not mean that “the Jews” run Hollywood. There is no cabal or conspiracy. > > > [@Simplicio](#): > > > > Well, there’s two ways to read “The Jews control Hollywood”. One is simply that a lot of higher up execs in Hollywood are Jewish, which seems pretty undeniably true. > > > > The other is that there’s some sort of organized group called “the Jews” whose members are at least somewhat formally organized to control Hollywood and protect each others interests. > > Even in the absence of a cabal or formally organized group to control Hollywood, does the fact that most if not all studios are run by a certain ethnic minority have an impact on the types of movies made? > > As an extreme example, are there any movies by the big studios that portray Jewish people in a negative light and the Palestinians in a positive light? (I’m not saying that there _should_ be such movies, just that there have to be some people who believe the Palestinians are in the right and would like to make a movie about it, but face getting their project greenlighted by a major studio) > > Besides the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, are there any aspects of Jewish identity & culture that come through in the types of movies that are made and the types of movies that are not made? For example, if Jews, statistically are more secular and more liberal than the population at large, does that translate into what gets put into film form? > > To summarize, even in the absence of a cabal, or concerted effort to “run things”, the fact that most studios are headed by people from a single ethnic minority could have an impact that would be similar to the case when there was a concerted effort to run things. There’s probably some of this, though I’m sure Jewish studio execs are aware that they’re selling to a gentile audience who would find more then the occasional movies about Jewish themes boring. I’d actually say the most obvious example of the similar backgrounds of studio execs isn’t particularly the prominence of a Jewish perspective as the prominence of a New York perspective. Almost all of the studio execs aren’t just Jewish, they’re Jews of European ancestry from particular parts of New York City, which is part of the reason New York City is the only city in the world in many US movies. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/15 "2010-10-04T23:48:19Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > - Is he correct, but it’s only OK to say it in public if you are Jewish? Of course. That is exactly the difference between bigotry and gloating. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/16 "2010-10-04T23:56:49Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Polerius](#): > > > > As an extreme example, are there any movies by the big studios that portray Jewish people in a negative light and the Palestinians in a positive light? (I’m not saying that there _should_ be such movies, just that there have to be some people who believe the Palestinians are in the right and would like to make a movie about it, but face getting their project greenlighted by a major studio) > > In my experience, Hollywood tends to stay away from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict like the plague. I can think of maybe four mainstream movies dealing with the subject since 1960 (for the record: _Exodus, The Little Drummer Girl, Munich_ and _Don’t Mess with the Zohan_, none of which portrayed a black and white conflict). That never struck me before, but you’re right. And it’s really astonishing, given the field Israel-Palestine offers for dramatic stories. Curious omission. Could be because the Jewish movie moguls are walking on tiptoe. Could be that the whole thing is too divisive in America to dwell on (making movies about Apartheid South Africa was all right, everybody this side of the pond agreed who the bad guys were). Could be both. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/17 "2010-10-04T23:59:14Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > In my experience, Hollywood tends to stay away from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict like the plague. I can think of maybe four mainstream movies dealing with the subject since 1960 (for the record: _Exodus, The Little Drummer Girl, Munich_ and _Don’t Mess with the Zohan_, none of which portrayed a black and white conflict). > > That never struck me before, but you’re right. And it’s really astonishing, given the field Israel-Palestine offers for dramatic stories. Curious omission. Could be because the Jewish movie moguls are walking on tiptoe. Could be that that the whole thing is too divisive in America to dwell on (making movies about Apartheid South Africa was all right, everybody this side of the pond agreed who the bad guys were). Could be both. Moviemakers love nazis. Black and white is a lovely color scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/18 "2010-10-05T00:00:41Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > As an extreme example, are there any movies by the big studios that portray Jewish people in a negative light and the Palestinians in a positive light? (I’m not saying that there _should_ be such movies, just that there have to be some people who believe the Palestinians are in the right and would like to make a movie about it, but face getting their project greenlighted by a major studio) Hollywood makes few, if any, films about Israel or Palestine in general (and no, You Don’t Mess With the Zohan doesn’t count) and for a very simple reason - no one in North America would watch them. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/19 "2010-10-05T00:04:54Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > So, even if “men” as a group did not plot to achieve certain goals, some of those goals were achieved nonetheless, simply by the fact that men were in the key spots in society. Would it be acceptable to assert that even if Jews as a group do not plot to (say) project a certain worldview in the media, some of these projections are made nonetheless, simply by the fact that Jews are in the key spots in the industry? Or would that be a tad controversial? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058/20 "2010-10-05T00:07:17Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > > [@Polerius](#): > > > > As an extreme example, are there any movies by the big studios that portray Jewish people in a negative light and the Palestinians in a positive light? (I’m not saying that there _should_ be such movies, just that there have to be some people who believe the Palestinians are in the right and would like to make a movie about it, but face getting their project greenlighted by a major studio) > > Hollywood makes few, if any, films about Israel or Palestine in general (and no, You Don’t Mess With the Zohan doesn’t count) and for a very simple reason - no one in North America would watch them. Oh, no. In fact, it would be fantastically easy to make such a movie so that some segments of the population would not think of missing it, and other segments would picket the theaters. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jews-totally-run-hollywood/556058.md?page=2)