# "JFK and SAM" New Light on Kennedy Assassination? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 2, 2006, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932 "2006-07-02T12:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932/81 "2006-07-23T14:56:43Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > And in fact, a company did a computer simulation a few years ago that traced the path of the bullet backwards through Connolly and through Kennedy, then in a straight line back from there. It went straight through the fourth floor window of the Texas Book Depository. > . I hope you don’t mean that one that was on Nova by the “Failure Analysis” company. The brass there wasn’t in any shell casing! “Enhanced” is their operative word for “painted in images.” If that is the one in ref. hh ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932/82 "2006-07-23T15:12:16Z")
> [@APB](#): > > What makes you think you can’t? > > [http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/giancana.htm](http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/giancana.htm) > > [FBI Case Files arranged by Surnames | National Archives](http://archives.gov/research/jfk/fbi-files.html) > > Seriously, while there might be grounds for saying that not everything that could be released has been, blanket complaints about closed files don’t count for much unless they’re combined with some awareness of what has actually already been released. Otherwise it just looks like uninformed handwaving. Interesting: over 70% of the verbiage is blacked out! This on documents from 40+ years ago-what is there to hide? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932/83 "2006-07-23T21:12:22Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > And in fact, a company did a computer simulation a few years ago that traced the path of the bullet backwards through Connolly and through Kennedy, then in a straight line back from there. It went straight through the fourth floor window of the Texas Book Depository. I think you mean the [sixth floor](http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/concl2.htm) of the Texas School Book Depository. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932/84 "2006-07-23T21:28:54Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > The government was changed, perhaps substantially, by somebody’s murder. This may matter to some. The same thing happened when Lincoln and McKinley were shot. If we found out today that their deaths were caused by a conspiracy of a group of senators, what would it matter other than an interesting fact? We certainly can’t bring those people to justice and odds are the conditions which allowed such a conspiracy to form and operate are long since gone, so passing laws would be pointless. > [@](#): > > The CIA has better things to do than to go around killing wimps. The CIA is an organization of career men that may, at times, kill people to further their agenda. > I won’t go into rumors, books, facts, testimony, because I don’t have time now, but 1. JFK was alleged to have promised to splinter the org into thousands of pieces. They had a lot, lot of money and power then, and, a group of government-destabilizing-killers-assassins would perhaps not be interested in losing hundreds of millions of dollars at the whim of one person that made them the whipping boy in his foul up which was the Bay of Pigs. > > 1. He, depending on the slant you want to put on the Bay of Pigs biz, betrayed a few thousand people that he sent to overthrow another government. Then, he \*wimped \*out. Many died because of the his failures. Right or wrong, one can see that this may make a lot of people angry. > > Power, money, death, betrayal. Fair motives if you want to look for modus operandi in a murder. > > hh Carter trimmed the CIA significantly and restricted a number of their activities, not to mention a number of people blame Carter for the whole Iran hostage situation. He also had a botched rescue attempt that led to the death of US service personnel. The CIA had a highly profitable drug running operation in Vietnam (using Pepsi bottling plants as a cover, during the JFK Admin., Nixon worked for Pepsi), which was lost when Nixon got us out of Vietnam. One could make the argument that the whole revelation of Watergate was CIA payback for Nixon cutting off their cash, but that would sound silly. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932/85 "2006-07-23T23:12:17Z")
> [@ambushed](#): > > Here I am, out-“conservativing” an arch-conservative! > > I agree with your guess and go much farther. There’s no way that _anyone_ would have hired or even _asked_ Oswald to do _anything_! He was the ultimate loser who was pitied and despised by just about everyone he knew, including his wife. He was almost certainly mentally ill and had serious problems ever since childhood. He was about as unstable as you can get. Hell, the Soviets didn’t even want to make use of him and tried to throw him out just days after his defection! In order to get the Sovs to take pity on him (and remember, Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears), he melodramatically slit his wrists in a laughably deranged manner just to make himself more important and to induce pathological pathos. Even then the Soviets did not keep him long because he was such a drunk and a loser and soon threw him out for good. When he arrived home at Love Field, he was thunderstruck that no reporters were there to interview him! > > And let’s not forget that there is zero doubt that Oswald acted alone in trying to assassinate General Walker (the general got lucky; Oswald was an _exceptional_ shot, but the bullet just barely grazed a window frame, deflecting it). > > No, every single fact and every single intelligent analysis has proven conclusively – utterly beyond all reasonable doubt – that Oswald acted entirely alone and that he was the only shooter in Dealy Plaza that tragic day. You are joking, aren’t you? all of this is already refuted by Rush to Judgement, by Mark Lane. However, one of these points has rarely been discussed-the Walker shooting. IIRC, Walker said it was a a different bullet than a 6.5, witnesses said there were 2 men that ran from Walker’s home, other stuff. The tie-in wasn’t because everyone knew that Oswald had taken a shot at W, it was because of what his wife said at the Warren Commission. Also, Oswald wasn’t an \*exceptional \*shot. A \*good \*shot would have got Walker, from the distance that Oswald was alleged to have shot, and an \*exceptional \*shot would have hit the General wherever he had wanted, not “just barely grazed a window!!” best wishes, hh ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932/86 "2006-07-24T00:06:04Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > IIRC, Walker said it was a a different bullet than a 6.5, witnesses said there were 2 men that ran from Walker’s home, other stuff. The tie-in wasn’t because everyone knew that Oswald had taken a shot at W, it was because of what his wife said at the Warren Commission. > Also, Oswald wasn’t an \*exceptional \*shot. A \*good \*shot would have got Walker, from the distance that Oswald was alleged to have shot, and an \*exceptional \*shot would have hit the General wherever he had wanted, not “just barely grazed a window!!” 1. The recovered bullet was so badly mangled that no such identification was possible. 2. One witness, a fifteen-year-old boy named Walter Coleman, looked at the parking lot of the Mormon Church by Walker’s house. Contrary to press reports that he saw two men get into separate cars and race away, Coleman told the FBI that he saw only one car leave, and it moved at a normal rate of speed. Other neighbors contradicted Coleman’s story, saying no car left after the noise. 3. There was more than Marina’s testimony. Oswald also took several photographs of Walker’s house, five of which still existed among Oswald’s possessions. Construction in the background of one of the photos dates it to March 1963. He also wrote a note to Marina in Russian on the evening of the shooting ([page 1](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/walkernote1.jpg), [page 2](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/walkernote2.jpg)), telling her how to deal with his arrest or death. 4. The bullet did more than graze a [window](http://www.ajweberman.com/images_other/walker.jpg). It passed through Walker’s hair instead of his skull, and his right arm was bleeding from bullet fragments. [More here](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/walker.txt). ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-and-sam-new-light-on-kennedy-assassination/362932/87 "2006-07-24T00:13:36Z")
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