# JFK Assassination **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 11, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942 "2013-02-11T05:05:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/81 "2013-02-14T01:15:17Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Links to a few would be nice. Theres a few here: [McAdams's Kennedy Assassination Home Page Index](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dealey.htm) Many of those are old web video formats - MacAdams wasn’t big on web updates and user interface. You can see Teller (of Penn & Teller) taking a shot using a melon on this youtube clip: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU-\_DWTSx5k](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU-_DWTSx5k) Some qualifiers - The Jet Effect really only can happen with headshots - those using Full Metal Jacket rounds (like LHO used). Other types of ammo may have different effects. The truth is that the effects on the nervous system can play a bigger role than Newtonian mechanics. But either way, to claim that the shot had to come from the front from what is seen in the Zapruder film simply is not true. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/82 "2013-02-14T02:12:21Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > I can’t find my post in the latest thread about this, but it boils down to the following: > > 1. Ruby was across town about an hour before the shooting, in bed asleep. > > 2. One of his former strippers call him and begged him for money. > > 3. He drove across town to the Western Union office, with his pet dog in tow, to wire her a few bucks and noticed activity around the city jail. > > 4. He walked inside the Western Union office, and when he was there, the time stamp on his wire transfer was during the time that Oswald should have been in transit to the county jail. NOBODY outside had any knowledge that the transfer was delayed, and it was delayed only because Oswald himself wanted to change shirts. > > 5. After the wire transfer, Ruby walks into the parking garage shortly before Oswald came out. In a moment of haste, he charged and shot him. > > 6. Ruby regularly carried a gun because he was a degenerate who ran strip clubs. > > None of 1-6 above sounds like a professional hit. Moreover, a careful look at the shooting reveals that Ruby used his middle finger to pull the trigger, which is an odd way to fire a gun, especially if you are trained for that type of thing. I would argue that it is another factoid corroborating the impulsive nature of his decision. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/83 "2013-02-14T02:16:18Z")
obviously Jack Ruby did everything he could to make it look like it wasn’t a planned professional hit that was how well-planned the conspiracy was ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/84 "2013-02-14T02:23:03Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > obviously Jack Ruby did everything he could to make it look like it wasn’t a planned professional hit > > that was how well-planned the conspiracy was Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/85 "2013-02-14T03:15:22Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > . . . 6. Ruby regularly carried a gun because he was a degenerate who ran strip clubs. . . . . Not that there’s anything wrong with that. He would have been a degenerate, anway, probably. It’s just that he also happened to run strip clubs. Incidentally, one of the dancers who worked in one of his clubs was none other than Lulu Roman from “Hee-Haw.” Well, maybe. There’s no question she was a go-go dancer in Dallas, but we have only here word that she worked for Ruby. ---
**Author:** ![wedgehed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8edcca/32.png) [@wedgehed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wedgehed)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/86 "2013-02-14T03:20:05Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > obviously Jack Ruby did everything he could to make it look like it wasn’t a planned professional hit > > that was how well-planned the conspiracy was I’m impressed by the conspirators’ ability to have Ruth Paine point Oswald towards the job opening at the TSD & also have a person in place to hire him. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/87 "2013-02-14T03:31:34Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > Not that there’s anything wrong with that. He would have been a degenerate, anway, probably. It’s just that he also happened to run strip clubs. > > Incidentally, one of the dancers who worked in one of his clubs was none other than Lulu Roman from “Hee-Haw.” Well, maybe. There’s no question she was a go-go dancer in Dallas, but we have only here word that she worked for Ruby. Correct. That was inarticulate of me. Back then, there was no legal CCW where a citizen could get a carry permit. Carrying a gun in public, even in Texas, was illegal and most citizens didn’t do it. I didn’t mean to open a gun control debate, but simply meant to explain WHY Ruby carried a gun, but not to the exclusion of a reason why others might have chosen to carry a gun illegally. /gun control comment off ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/88 "2013-02-14T03:35:19Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > I’m impressed by the conspirators’ ability to have Ruth Paine point Oswald towards the job opening at the TSD & also have a person in place to hire him. Well, in the WONJCT\* universe, there’s absolutely no such thing as a conincidence. _Everything_ is planned. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s even some loon conspiracy theory about how the introduction of a Leap Second every once in a while is proof of some government evil. \ ***W** hacked- **O** ut **N** ut- **J** ob **C** onspiracy **T** heorist ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/89 "2013-02-14T03:40:34Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > Correct. That was inarticulate of me. . . . And me as well! I was referring to his ownership of the strip clubs. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/90 "2013-02-14T14:14:30Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > I suspect that handsomeharry is truly sincere in his belief of an additional gunman, and if we couldn’t sway him to the lone gunman theory[ten years ago](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=143493), we’re unlikely to do it now, either. Oh, I’ve put more on here since then. Why are you searching my history? Whenever something controversial comes up, why do people do this? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/91 "2013-02-14T14:33:05Z")
I can’t answer for others, or on any other threads. But many of us older guys (just turned 50) were once believers in the Kennedy conspiracy theory, or at least were open to it. But over the years of talking about it, reading new books (most of which are increasingly anti-conspiracy) watching documentaries etc., we have come to the solid conclusion that LHO alone and unaided, killed Kennedy. And for most of us, it’s so obvious that it’s just not open to debate any longer. So I think we are surprised that one would argue this for a decade or more without coming around. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/92 "2013-02-14T14:41:56Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > …watching documentaries etc., we have come to the solid conclusion that LHO alone and unaided, killed Kennedy. > > So I think we are surprised that one would argue this for a decade or more without coming around. Oh, I didn’t know it was a \*solid \*conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/93 "2013-02-14T14:44:15Z")
My response, which I had just finished composing was pretty much point for point what **spifflog** said. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/94 "2013-02-14T14:45:16Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I can’t answer for others, or on any other threads. But many of us older guys (just turned 50) were once believers in the Kennedy conspiracy theory, or at least were open to it. But over the years of talking about it, reading new books (most of which are increasingly anti-conspiracy) watching documentaries etc., we have come to the solid conclusion that LHO alone and unaided, killed Kennedy. And for most of us, it’s so obvious that it’s just not open to debate any longer. > > So I think we are surprised that one would argue this for a decade or more without coming around. Nailed it. One of the game-changers was the succession of previously closely held evidence, such as successively more complete versions of the Zapruder film and the (still technically not public) autopsy photos. But really, everything of consequence was in the Warren Report, and the reasonably compact summary contains everything of real consequence. As Bugliosi pointed out (with a spectacular example) in his introduction, almost no one has ever read the Warren Report, and many have no idea it’s 22 volumes long and just how much scope that material covers. However, nearly everyone has read CT material, sometimes lots of it, even if they weren’t particularly interested. Magazines and newspapers ran vague CT stuff almost continuously until the 1980s or later, but you hardly ever saw a supporter of the original conclusions that wasn’t shouted down and laughed at. It’t taken us a long time as a country to come to terms with the JFK assassination, but I think we’re finally over the hump, thanks to time, sensibility, Posner and Bugliosi. Oh, and the unimpeachable members of the Warren Commission. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/95 "2013-02-14T14:45:30Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Why are you searching my history? Whenever something controversial comes up, why do people do this? You asked, I answered. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/96 "2013-02-14T14:46:59Z")
About the only “mystery” regarding the hit, is Oswald’s weird relationship with the CIA. The guy is penniless, he winds up emigrating to Russia…then comes back, has the money to travel to Mexico City, meets with KGB agents? Something tells me that Oswald may well have been a double agent, or a double agent wannabe. In any case, the CIA files on Oswald will probably never be revealed-they might have been destroyed-it wouldn’t do to have the country’s top spies associated with a presidential assassin. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/97 "2013-02-14T14:47:19Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Oh, I didn’t know it was a \*solid \*conclusion. The truth is out there. All you have to do is read it instead of clinging to selective half-remembered half- and non-truths a half-century old. ---
**Author:** ![wedgehed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8edcca/32.png) [@wedgehed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wedgehed)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/98 "2013-02-14T14:49:29Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I can’t answer for others, or on any other threads. But many of us older guys (just turned 50) were once believers in the Kennedy conspiracy theory, or at least were open to it. But over the years of talking about it, reading new books (most of which are increasingly anti-conspiracy) watching documentaries etc., we have come to the solid conclusion that LHO alone and unaided, killed Kennedy. And for most of us, it’s so obvious that it’s just not open to debate any longer. > > So I think we are surprised that one would argue this for a decade or more without coming around. Ditto. I wasted way too much money on CT books. I suppose I should thank Oliver Stone for crystallizing the utter stupidity of the CT side. It really set me up for Posner’s book. The Warren Commission may not have crossed all the t’s & dotted all the i’s, but at least they wrote a coherent sentence - and that’s more than any CT’er has ever done. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/99 "2013-02-14T14:50:41Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > About the only “mystery” regarding the hit, is Oswald’s weird relationship with the CIA. The guy is penniless, he winds up emigrating to Russia..then comes back, has the money to travel to Mexico City, meets with KGB agents?. Half-truths, mostly. He went from Texas to Mexico City on a bus (WC interviewed his seatmates, fa chrissakes) and it is not clear that he did anything but enter the Russian consulate once or twice, briefly. Russia didn’t want him back, either. He had also brought himself to the attention of the intelligence agency responsible for foreign enemies, rather exceptionally so. It’s not like there were a lot of uniformed Marines openly defecting to the USSR and then coming back to rant about Cuba in the streets. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942/100 "2013-02-14T14:52:20Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > The Warren Commission may not have crossed all the t’s & dotted all the i’s… I really don’t want to stand here being a WC chauvinist, but you’re welcome to list any significant t’s and i’s. I think you may be promoting the CT view of the commission - sloppy, inept, rushed, brief etc., none of which are true. Even the intensive re-examination came back with only one later-disproven addition. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jfk-assassination/649942.md?page=6)