# Jihadists want to kill da Queen **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 8, 2014, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041 "2014-11-08T03:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/41 "2014-11-09T19:16:08Z")
The queen did save herself from serious injury or even death in 1981. The wiki understates the danger. A less skilled person would have been thrown from that horse. The queen has ridden and owned horses since childhood. > **[Marcus Sarjeant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Sarjeant)** > > Marcus Simon Sarjeant (born 1963 or 1964) is a British man who fired six blank shots near Queen Elizabeth II as she rode down The Mall to the Trooping the Colour ceremony in London in 1981. > Sarjeant, who was from Capel-le-Ferne, near Folkestone, Kent, went to Astor Secondary School in Dover. He was a member of the Scouts, becoming local patrol leader before leaving to join the Air Training Corps in 1978. In the ATC, Sarjeant won a marksman's badge, and he owned an air rifle. After leaving sch... > [@](#): > > Sarjeant quickly fired six shots from his starting revolver. The horse was momentarily startled but the Queen brought her under control; she was unharmed. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/42 "2014-11-09T19:39:56Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > She’s been the head of state for 60+ years, and the Crown Princess for several years before that. Lots of people have wanted to kill her for almost her entire life. Her great-uncles were in the purge, and even her uncle was murdered by the IRA. It’s not like “oooh, Phiilip, I might be killed!” is a new concept to her. > > She’s lead a life, unique AFAICT, where she’s become older than almost all her peers despite having very real threats against her life since she was about 10. > > I’ve always suspected this. > > Slightly more seriously, it wouldn’t be that surprising if she did sleep with a gun under her pillowcase. I could actually see her disposing of a would-be-assassin in her bedchamber and then sitting up, checking how many rounds she had, and patiently waiting for the next guys. > > And, given her age, if she were killed by an assassin and the govt decided not to start a war, they would cover it up. She died in her sleep. Well, someone did need to teach Princess Anne her mad skilz… > **[The Bloody Attempt to Kidnap a British Princess](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bloody-attempt-kidnap-british-princess-180950202/?no-ist)** > > Remembering the failed plot undertaken by a lone gunman ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/43 "2014-11-09T19:50:09Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Actually, that would be extremely rare for most European countries other than the British ones, since **we have this horrible tendency to speak languages other than English**. “Crown Prince” is what you guys call our heir apparents, that when you don’t insist in explaining to us that if we call our heir apparent “heir apparent” it’s not the Crown Prince. Are you always this snarky to people you’ve never met before? Where are you from, anyway? Wherever I’ve seen “Crown Prince” it’s been in reference to some European country other than Britain. Admittedly since they are not English-speaking I know they would not say “Crown Prince” but I always assumed that the phrase was a direct translation. Clearly you know differently in (I assume, from context) the case of your own country, but there’s no need to be rude about it. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/44 "2014-11-09T20:22:48Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Slightly more seriously, it wouldn’t be that surprising if she did sleep with a gun under her pillowcase. I could actually see her disposing of a would-be-assassin in her bedchamber and then sitting up, checking how many rounds she had, and patiently waiting for the next guys. Well, she did have a nice chat with that one guy who popped round her bedroom in the middle of the night that time. I’d like to think she’d coolly blow someone away, check the gun’s magazine, then have a sip of tea and pat a Corgi. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/45 "2014-11-09T21:54:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Don’t they know she’s a great grandma now? Such a sweet old lady and they wanted to knife here. > > Seriously do these idiots have any concept of the shit storm that would be unleashed by murdering the most beloved and respected Monarch since Victoria? You really, really don’t want to wake the sleeping giant and ignite that kind of public anger. > > [British police foil Islamic terror suspects’ alleged plot to kill Queen of England: report – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/british-police-foil-plot-kill-queen-england-report-article-1.2003297) Maybe they’re trying to get the IRA on their side? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/46 "2014-11-09T22:34:27Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Any assailant who gets within stabbing range, she’ll whap to death with her purse while using her hat as buckler shield. > > But I’d be giving a royal appointment to High Street shop to prepare a Kevlar-and-ballistic-ceramic girdle, just in case. You forgot her vicious attack dogs. They are cunning, almost Machiavellian when to comes to defending their master/madam. Doesn’t the name of the breed, “Welsh Corgis,” induce the hair to stand up on the back of your head? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/47 "2014-11-09T22:59:14Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > Are you always this snarky to people you’ve never met before? Where are you from, anyway? > > Wherever I’ve seen “Crown Prince” it’s been in reference to some European country other than Britain. Admittedly since they are not English-speaking I know they would not say “Crown Prince” but I always assumed that the phrase was a direct translation. Clearly you know differently in (I assume, from context) the case of your own country, but there’s no need to be rude about it. Actually, most long-time posters already know that **Nava’s** from Spain. And FWIW, I didn’t notice any rudeness in her post, but that’s just my own personal opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/48 "2014-11-09T23:36:21Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > Are you always this snarky to people you’ve never met before? Where are you from, anyway? I don’t believe **Nava** has ever said one way or another, so I also look forward to this opportunity to find out. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/49 "2014-11-09T23:43:59Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Any assailant who gets within stabbing range, she’ll whap to death with her purse while using her hat as buckler shield. Almost my mental image except I mistakenly gave her a little bit less credit and didn’t think about the hat buckler.:smack: In my defense a single assassin probably could be dispatched with the hat not moving a mm. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/50 "2014-11-10T00:38:23Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Actually, that would be extremely rare for most European countries other than the British ones, since we have this horrible tendency to speak languages other than English. “Crown Prince” is what you guys call our heir apparents, that when you don’t insist in explaining to us that if we call our heir apparent “heir apparent” it’s not the Crown Prince. > [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > Are you always this snarky to people you’ve never met before? Where are you from, anyway? > > Wherever I’ve seen “Crown Prince” it’s been in reference to some European country other than Britain. Admittedly since they are not English-speaking I know they would not say “Crown Prince” but I always assumed that the phrase was a direct translation. Clearly you know differently in (I assume, from context) the case of your own country, but there’s no need to be rude about it. Welcome to the SDMB, **Your Great Darsh Face**. Although **Nava** did engage in a little sarcasm, she was well within the bounds of civility – this board has a culture that can handle a little sarcasm. In the future, if you think someone is out of line, use the report function (the exclamation point in the triangle at the upper right of every post) to report it to the moderators. We prefer that our posters not take it upon themselves to call someone else out for perceived rudeness. Again, welcome, I hope you enjoy your stay. **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/51 "2014-11-10T01:16:32Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Her great-uncles were in the purge I don’t know what this means. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/52 "2014-11-10T02:01:10Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Actually, that would be extremely rare for most European countries other than the British ones, since we have this horrible tendency to speak languages other than English. “Crown Prince” is what you guys call our heir apparents, that when you don’t insist in explaining to us that if we call our heir apparent “heir apparent” it’s not the Crown Prince. IIRC only Denmark, Sweden, & Norway use “Crown Prince(ss)” as the formal title for the heir apparent. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/53 "2014-11-10T02:19:04Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > My own personal “crusade” to prevent radicalisation (I’m atheist) is to be inclusive, humanist and ethically sound. I make those judgements in light of what I consider to be the right thing to do. I make no reference the supernatural and don’t consider any texts to be infallible. I want people to be free to believe what they want but that freedom stops at the point their beliefs materially affect others. Treat people as you want to be treated is a fair maxim. I try to instill this into my children and argue the merit of this approach with others when the subject arises. > > Until the faiths start taking this approach we’ll be doomed to idealogically driven terrorism of one sort or another, but at least it won’t be coming from, or supported by me. Ok, I’m glad we have a moderate atheist on this board. But what we need is for moderate atheists to speak out against atheistic extremism, as practiced by Chinese atheists. Surely, moderate Western atheists should have some special influence over them. This year in the Chinese city of Wenzhou over 230 churches have been removed; one of them was one of the city’s largest churches. China tolerates capitalism now, but still sees religion as a threat. What we need is more moderate atheists to speak out about this. I trust the OP agrees with me. sub req: [Cracks in the atheist edifice](http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21629218-rapid-spread-christianity-forcing-official-rethink-religion-cracks) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/54 "2014-11-10T03:23:57Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Slightly more seriously, it wouldn’t be that surprising if she did sleep with a gun under her pillowcase. I could actually see her disposing of a would-be-assassin in her bedchamber and then sitting up, checking how many rounds she had, and patiently waiting for the next guys. That’s really easy to believe, especially if you picture [Helen Mirren](http://www.flicksandbits.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/helen-mirren-red-2.jpg) as [Queen Elizabeth](http://img2-3.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/news/071112/helen_mirren.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/55 "2014-11-10T07:26:35Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > Wherever I’ve seen “Crown Prince” it’s been in reference to some European country other than Britain. Not a direct translation at all, in many cases. The direct translation of the Spanish Príncipe is Prince; of the Italian Principe, again Prince; same for the Portuguese; the French Dauphin would be Dolphin; and so forth. It is an English expression… > [@alphaboi867](#): > > IIRC only Denmark, Sweden, & Norway use “Crown Prince(ss)” as the formal title for the heir apparent. …and even in those cases in which it is a direct translation, it is still a bad translation rather than “what those people are called in their language”. It’s the kind of translation done by someone who has a dictionary but no understanding of what they’re attempting to translate. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/56 "2014-11-10T08:07:53Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Ok, I’m glad we have a moderate atheist on this board. But what we need is for moderate atheists to speak out against atheistic extremism, as practiced by Chinese atheists. Surely, moderate Western atheists should have some special influence over them. > > This year in the Chinese city of Wenzhou over 230 churches have been removed; one of them was one of the city’s largest churches. China tolerates capitalism now, but still sees religion as a threat. What we need is more moderate atheists to speak out about this. I trust the OP agrees with me. > sub req: [Cracks in the atheist edifice](http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21629218-rapid-spread-christianity-forcing-official-rethink-religion-cracks) China is a communist totalitarian state. The atheism is incidental. People such as me still speak out against it though. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/57 "2014-11-10T08:24:05Z")
I’ve always thought of Q E II in more danger from Charles’ current wife than radical Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/58 "2014-11-10T10:08:43Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Actually, most long-time posters already know that **Nava’s** from Spain. And FWIW, I didn’t notice any rudeness in her post, but that’s just my own personal opinion. Thank you, **cochrane** , although you’ll notice my join date - I’ve been here since the weekend. There’s no harm in a personal opinion, but I think mine - as the offended party - carries more weight on this one. I have to say that “Crown Prince” sounds more northern European to my ears than Spanish, so there’s that - but I didn’t make any assertion that _all_ Europeans used the term, only that those who did are continental rather than British. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/59 "2014-11-10T15:51:53Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > I have to say that “Crown Prince” sounds more northern European to my ears than Spanish, so there’s that - but I didn’t make any assertion that _all_ Europeans used the term, only that those who did are continental rather than British. Vanishingly minor non-nitpick (not correcting incorrect information, just humbly presenting the perspective of the locals): Scandinavians generally don’t see themselves as “continental.” Swedes tend to say about Denmark that it feels “continental” - by which they mean that they find it excitingly exotic that, in Denmark, you’ll see people drinking alcohol outdoors, while the sun is still up. Danes, on the other hand, tend to think that “the continent” begins at the German border. Everything north of that is just, well, Scandinavia. In any case, yes, Swedish uses “kronprins” or “kronprinsessa”; Denmark and Norway uses “kronprins” or “kronprinsesse.” ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jihadists-want-to-kill-da-queen/704041/60 "2014-11-10T17:54:21Z")
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