# Jill Stein campaign thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 11, 2016, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088 "2016-06-11T07:12:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/1 "2016-06-11T07:12:38Z")
Since even the Green party seems to be getting more coverage than usual from the media, I figure we probably need this thread too. Came across this interesting piece of rhetoric from Stein: [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283037-green-party-candidate-draws-parallels-between-clinton](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283037-green-party-candidate-draws-parallels-between-clinton) > [@](#): > > “Trump says very scary things—deporting immigrants, massive militarism and, you know, ignoring the climate,” Stein said in an interview with Democracy Now, according to a transcript. “Well, Hillary, unfortunately, has a track record for doing all of those things." > “So, the terrible things that we expect from Donald Trump, we’ve actually already seen from Hillary Clinton,” Stein added. “So I’d say, don’t be a victim of this propaganda campaign, which is being waged by people who exercise selective amnesia.” > > Stein also echoed the presumptive Republican nominee’s call for Bernie Sanders to mount a third-party bid, inviting him to be a Green Party candidate and accusing the “Democratic machine” of rigging the primary against him. Wow, she’s offering to step aside if he wants the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/2 "2016-06-11T08:06:07Z")
As I keep saying, Bernie isn’t a retard so he won’t do this. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/3 "2016-06-11T10:02:54Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > As I keep saying, Bernie isn’t a retard so he won’t do this. Unfortunately, Jill Stein _is_. The continued existence of the green party is a travesty and if I was the more conspiratorial type, I’d think she was being bankrolled by and supports the republican party. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/4 "2016-06-11T14:44:53Z")
Jill Stein is actually less qualified than Donald Trump to be president. Jill Stein has lost every single election she’s competed in. If you’re unable to get elected to the state assembly, you have no business even thinking about the presidency. Jill Stein is a lying egomaniac. She knows damn well there is quite a huge gap between Hillary and Donald Trump. I hope Bernie or Bust has died down by November and shitbag Stein gets nothing but coverage on C Span 3 at 2 AM on a Saturday night and takes less than 1% of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/5 "2016-06-11T16:58:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Since even the Green party seems to be getting more coverage than usual from the media, I figure we probably need this thread too. > > Came across this interesting piece of rhetoric from Stein: > > [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283037-green-party-candidate-draws-parallels-between-clinton](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283037-green-party-candidate-draws-parallels-between-clinton) > > Wow, she’s offering to step aside if he wants the nomination. Didn’t the Green Party announce recently that they wouldn’t run Sanders? I read somewhere that people were asking for him to run as a Green, but the party didn’t want to negate their own primary. So Bernie, are election shenanigans allowed if they benefit you? ---
**Author:** ![TheSeaOtter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed655f/32.png) [@TheSeaOtter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheSeaOtter)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/6 "2016-06-11T17:12:29Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > Didn’t the Green Party announce recently that they wouldn’t run Sanders? I read somewhere that people were asking for him to run as a Green, but the party didn’t want to negate their own primary. > So Bernie, are election shenanigans allowed if they benefit you? In addition to not being an idiot, Bernie is fundamentally honest. It’s part of his appeal. But it also means there’s no way he does this - if he wanted to run as an independent or a Green or anything else, he would’ve started that way. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/7 "2016-06-11T19:31:34Z")
> [@TheSeaOtter](#): > > In addition to not being an idiot, Bernie is fundamentally honest. It’s part of his appeal. But it also means there’s no way he does this - if he wanted to run as an independent or a Green or anything else, he would’ve started that way. Given the mountain of bullshit his campaign has been based on the past few months, I think his appeal is more the projection of honesty than actual honesty. But that said, I don’t expect he would take Stein up on her offer. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/8 "2016-06-12T00:20:47Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Unfortunately, Jill Stein _is_. The continued existence of the green party is a travesty and if I was the more conspiratorial type, I’d think she was being bankrolled by and supports the republican party. Something [like this](http://www.mainedems.org/press/republican-special-interest-group-aims-dupe-voters-re-electing-paul-lepage) actually [happened](http://thetippingpoint.bangordailynews.com/2014/10/18/state-politics/republican-party-begins-spending-to-boost-cutler/) in [Maine](http://www.mainedems.org/press/after-months-inactivity-out-state-tea-party-donors-give-sudden-boost-cutler-pac). Eliot Cutler wasn’t a Green, just an independent. In 2014, we had a three way race for governor, between him, Mike Michaud(D), and Paul Lepage(R) who was running for re-election. Mr. Cutler was very liberal, and IMO would have made a damn good governor. But the right wing knew exactly what they were doing by backing him. They got liberals to split the vote between him and Michaud. We got stuck with four more years of a racist blowhard. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/9 "2016-06-12T00:24:30Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > Something [like this](http://www.mainedems.org/press/republican-special-interest-group-aims-dupe-voters-re-electing-paul-lepage) actually [happened](http://thetippingpoint.bangordailynews.com/2014/10/18/state-politics/republican-party-begins-spending-to-boost-cutler/) in [Maine](http://www.mainedems.org/press/after-months-inactivity-out-state-tea-party-donors-give-sudden-boost-cutler-pac). > Eliot Cutler wasn’t a Green, just an independent. In 2014, we had a three way race for governor, between him, Mike Michaud(D), and Paul Lepage(R) who was running for re-election. Mr. Cutler was very liberal, and IMO would have made a damn good governor. But the right wing knew exactly what they were doing by backing him. They got liberals to split the vote between him and Michaud. We got stuck with four more years of a racist blowhard. I wish I could say that the Maine liberals I know (Maine’s my home state) were smarter than that. I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/10 "2016-06-12T01:21:34Z")
Reality checking in. Sanders is not going to run on the Green ticket. Sanders will endorse Hillary on Wednesday. He may even run for vice president, not a big chance but several orders of magnitude higher than him running Green. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/11 "2016-06-12T01:24:42Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Reality checking in. Sanders is not going to run on the Green ticket. Sanders will endorse Hillary on Wednesday. He may even run for vice president, not a big chance but several orders of magnitude higher than him running Green. It’s funny to start a post with “Reality checking in,” and then proceed to make a statement which is already the consensus of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/12 "2016-06-12T02:13:17Z")
Stein just announced that the Greens support forgiving all college debt. Sounds like an appeal to Sanders supporters. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/13 "2016-06-12T02:22:33Z")
IT’s also anti-taxpayer. Do taxpayers that have trouble paying their share of that $1 trillion also get their tax debt forgiven? ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/14 "2016-06-12T15:37:16Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Jill Stein is actually less qualified than Donald Trump to be president. Jill Stein has lost every single election she’s competed in. If you’re unable to get elected to the state assembly, you have no business even thinking about the presidency. Just out of curiosity, which elections did Trump ever win? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/15 "2016-06-12T20:11:09Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > Just out of curiosity, which elections did Trump ever win? None at all. But he hasn’t lost minor elections either. If you can’t win a state assembly seat, you have no business running for President. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/16 "2016-06-13T16:28:39Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > None at all. But he hasn’t lost minor elections either. If you can’t win a state assembly seat, you have no business running for President. Yes, but Jill Stein ran campaigns. Even running losing campaigns, IMO, makes her more qualified than Trump. Perhaps she’s just as big an idiot, I dunno, as I know virtually nothing about her history. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/17 "2016-06-14T09:45:57Z")
Running a losing campaign is not experience. Doing a job in government is experience. Campaigning and governing tend to involve very different skills, plus it’s a totally different management set up. Campaign managers are the primary power in a campaign, not the candidate. “running” a campaign is literally a nothing item on a resume for a candidate, especially a losing one. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/18 "2016-06-14T11:47:39Z")
It looks like the only election this woman has won successfully is to the Town of Lexington Town Meeting Seat. Other than that, she’s lost every campaign. Running as a Green in liberal Massachusetts and failing should be a sign that she’s nowhere even close to being a serious candidate for the presidency. I can’t imagine anyone being foolish enough to throw their vote away on Jill Stein. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/19 "2016-06-14T12:48:05Z")
If you want change, then all votes are wasted votes. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088/20 "2016-06-15T12:46:03Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The continued existence of the green party is a travesty If by travesty you mean “completely harmless forum presenting those who wish to associate with it an opportunity to assert the presence of a portion of the electorate who are to the left of the Democratic Party”, then I completely agree with you. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jill-stein-campaign-thread/757088.md?page=2)