# Jim Jordan accused of ignoring sexual abuse as a coach **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 3, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230 "2018-07-03T15:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/21 "2018-07-05T12:40:48Z")
After all the snickering from Columbus sports media and O.S.U. fans about the tribulations at Penn State and Michigan State, there’s now a certain amount of comeuppance in the air. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/22 "2018-07-06T13:48:51Z")
And of course Prez Deserves-A-Wedgie didn’t get his Roy Moore suppport, so why not [shill for this scumbag too.](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/trump-sides-with-rep-jim-jordan-100percent-in-denying-wrestlers-claims.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/23 "2018-07-06T15:14:40Z")
To be ruthlessly fair, we don’t have the actual facts yet, and they will be hard to get. Where might we find a document, or some other tangible evidence? So far, its all just statements and allegations, we cannot and should not presume guilt. By the same token, of course, Il Douche is flat-footed stone cold stupid to declare innocence. He could have been effective enough just staying within accepted bounds, the presumption of innocence, etc. But no. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/24 "2018-07-06T17:06:18Z")
I have to say…I find it unbelievable. > [@](#): > > Chillingly, DiSabato added: “Based on testimony from victim athletes from each of the aforementioned varsity sports, we estimate that Strauss sexually assaulted and/or raped a minimum of 1,500/2,000 athletes at OSU from 1978 through 1998." I mean, I could be wrong. I am not saying it did not happen. But this differs from the Michigan State and Penn State cases, in that these weren’t minors and it wasn’t happening to someone else. These were men. These were athletes. In Ohio. They were and are, by nature, men who were _violent and assertive_. Men who enjoy and _seek out_ confrontation. There is so much machismo and homophobia built in to that culture that I find it nearly impossible to believe that more than a thousand of these men were sexually assaulted by [this guy](https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-state-investigating-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-former-wrestling-trainer) and not one of them, _NOT ONE OF THEM_, beat the living snot out of him? I mean, _out of reflex_! Does this not strain credibility with anyone? For this to believable, there has to be at least a couple of instances where this guy was in the emergency room with a broken and bleeding nose. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/25 "2018-07-06T17:22:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > To be ruthlessly fair, we don’t have the actual facts yet, and they will be hard to get. Where might we find a document, or some other tangible evidence? So far, its all just statements and allegations, we cannot and should not presume guilt. If I were on a jury? Sure - innocent until proven guilty, all of that. But I don’t live in Ohio, I’m not going to be on that jury (if there is one), and there has been to much of this bullshit. He (the doctor) looks to weigh the same as a duck, so I say burn him. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I have to say…I find it unbelievable. > > I mean, I could be wrong. I am not saying it did not happen. But this differs from the Michigan State and Penn State cases, in that these weren’t minors and it wasn’t happening to someone else. These were men. These were athletes. In Ohio. They were and are, by nature, men who were _violent and assertive_. Men who enjoy and _seek out_ confrontation. There is so much machismo and homophobia built in to that culture that I find it nearly impossible to believe that more than a thousand of these men were sexually assaulted by [this guy](https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-state-investigating-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-former-wrestling-trainer) and not one of them, _NOT ONE OF THEM_, beat the living snot out of him? I mean, _out of reflex_! Does this not strain credibility with anyone? > > For this to believable, there has to be at least a couple of instances where this guy was in the emergency room with a broken and bleeding nose. You study your prey, you make slow moves, you back off if a slow move gets a strong negative reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/26 "2018-07-06T17:43:05Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > You study your prey, you make slow moves, you back off if a slow move gets a strong negative reaction. > [@](#): > > “And Dr. Strauss took a lot of showers and soaped himself a lot,” he added. “When you look at the definition of sexual abuse and sexual assault — and Jim Jordan went on record saying he knew about the facilities, he took showers with us. He saw Dr. Strauss and others perform these acts in front of us.” Was he is describing is not subtle or sneaky. > [@](#): > > was common knowledge within the locker room. And it wasn’t secret, either. The Law of Large Numbers says there HAD to be a couple of times where he guessed wrong and got his ass kicked. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/27 "2018-07-06T18:11:39Z")
> [@Pippers](#): > > I’d been snickering over this news until I read your post. You put it into perspective in one sentence. I hope Jordan gets his comeuppance, and I really hope those boys get some type of closure. What a shit deal. Imagine you know, that the adults know, that you’re being molested and they do nothing. > > And to top it all off dick-stroker Jimmy Jordan is lying to the press, telling them he is willing to assist law enforcement in anyway he can, yet he hasn’t responded to the lawyers handling the case. > > [Powerful GOP Rep. Jim Jordan accused of turning blind eye to sexual abuse as Ohio State wrestling coach](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/powerful-gop-rep-jim-jordan-accused-turning-blind-eye-sexual-n888386) > Shortly after the NBC News story was published, Fury added the following statement: "He has not been contacted by investigators about the matter but will assist them in any way they ask, because if what is alleged is true, the victims deserve a full investigation and justice.” > > But Kathleen Trafford of Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the Dayton, Ohio-based law firm that was appointed as legal counsel to Ohio State, said in a statement that investigators “had previously contacted Rep. Jordan’s office by email and phone to request that he participate in an interview.” > > “To date, Rep. Jordan has not responded to those requests,” Trafford wrote. “The investigative team is continuing its efforts to schedule an interview with Rep. Jordan.” > [@](#): > > Trump’s backing came a few hours after the revelations that the legal team investigating the doctor for Ohio State used the wrong email address when they tried to contact Jordan twice in May. > > The error explains the discrepancy between accounts from a lawyer hired by OSU and the Urbana Republican about whether he was contacted for the probe of the doctor. What remains unexplained is why Jordan’s office has no records of phone calls from the investigators. > > “While the independent investigators reviewing allegations of sexual abuse by the late Dr. Richard Strauss attempted to contact Representative Jim Jordan by these emails and a follow up phone call on June 12, it appears that Representative Jordan did not receive these messages,” attorney Kathleen Trafford said in a statement provided by Ohio State. She added that investigators “are communicating on next steps with his office now.” [http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180705/trump-says-he-doesnt-believe-allegations-against-jim-jordan-new-victim-emerges](http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180705/trump-says-he-doesnt-believe-allegations-against-jim-jordan-new-victim-emerges) ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/28 "2018-07-06T18:22:25Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Was he is describing is not subtle or sneaky. > > And it wasn’t secret, either. > > The Law of Large Numbers says there HAD to be a couple of times where he guessed wrong and got his ass kicked. We don’t know that he didn’t. Think he’d tell anybody? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/29 "2018-07-06T23:03:42Z")
This guy was on Bret Baier and it did not go well. To quote Josh Marshall: VERY TELLING. Jordan repeatedly notes this distinction: “Conversations in a locker room are a lot different than allegations of abuse or reported abuse to us.” Seems to be falling back on _formal accusations_, just discussed and common knowledge. [https://t.co/X3SPSLw8j2](https://t.co/X3SPSLw8j2) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/30 "2018-07-06T23:05:03Z")
He also went on a rosenstein and Hillary Clinton riff claiming this is all about protecting them. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/31 "2018-07-06T23:07:37Z")
Molesting children to own the libs is so 2017. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/32 "2018-07-06T23:17:54Z")
Tired: Molesting Children to own the libs Wired: Putting Children in cages to own the libs ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/33 "2018-07-07T00:23:06Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > [http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180705/trump-says-he-doesnt-believe-allegations-against-jim-jordan-new-victim-emerges](http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180705/trump-says-he-doesnt-believe-allegations-against-jim-jordan-new-victim-emerges) Applying the Trump-Cosby equation: the more victims that come forward, the stronger the proof that it’s a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/34 "2018-07-07T01:19:56Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Applying the Trump-Cosby equation: the more victims that come forward, the stronger the proof that it’s a hoax. How exactly does your response have **anything** to do with what I quoted? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/35 "2018-07-07T01:53:10Z")
Jordan is running against Janet Garret in November. In 2016, Jordan beat Garret 68-32. I don’t know anything about that district, but it is very oddly shaped. The shape and lopsided contest in 2016 lead me to believe that the district is heavily gerrymandered. So, it looks like a safe bet that he’ll be reelected, thereby disproving at least half of the conventional wisdom about dead girls and live boys. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/36 "2018-07-07T06:43:43Z")
Eh, he has to make it to running. His interview today gave his opposition plenty of ammo, especially compared to his earlier statements. This scandal is just beginning, and could get much larger. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/37 "2018-07-07T15:14:53Z")
:smack: “Running” in my first sentence above should be “election day”. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/38 "2018-07-07T15:59:57Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > :smack: > > “Running” in my first sentence above should be “election day”. I do that all the time. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/39 "2018-07-07T16:54:57Z")
So, I posted the following on Twitter just yesterday in response to JJ’s interview: > “Interesting that the default position is that Jim Jordan was not a participant” > 'But moving closer to “yeah, but we were just horsing around! Having fun! And they were all of the legal age of consent!” ’ Last night, the following came out: > **[‘A cesspool of deviancy’: New claims of voyeurism test Jordan denials](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/06/jim-jordan-harassment-ohio-state-wrestling-699192)** > > A half-dozen former wrestlers at Ohio State, where GOP Rep. Jim Jordan once coached, said they were regularly harassed by men in their training facility. Buried in the story is this paragraph: “Even defenders of Jordan told POLITICO that the environment in Larkins Hall was abhorrent. **Jordan used to work out with the students and use the sauna with them** , even creating his own jocular “King of the Sauna” award at the end of the year for the wrestler who was best at trash talking his opponents and boasting of his successes post-practice. That’s why several wrestlers said it‘s implausible that Jordan didn’t see anything, despite his denials.” In time, I bet, it will be revealed that Jordan participated in this culture of deviancy. We will see, but in 3, 4 days we have gone from: 1. I knew nothing 2. Well, locker room talk isn’t the same as allegations, therefore I didn’t do anything 3. “But coach, you took saunas with us, so many that you created Sauna Awards…” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/40 "2018-07-07T17:07:24Z")
In addition, who here believes that a culture of toxic masculinity and sexual aggression limited itself only to male victims? Find the women involved in these programs and I’ll bet their stories will be even worse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230.md?page=3)