# Jim Jordan accused of ignoring sexual abuse as a coach **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 3, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230 "2018-07-03T15:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/61 "2018-07-11T14:04:34Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t know, but the little Yoda in me says if sexual assault is part of some sort of tradition, maybe it’s time to find a different tradition. Bonfires are tradition. Pep rallies are tradition. Shaving a freshman’s head might even be a tradition. Grabbing someone’s balls? That’s not my idea of a tradition. Find a different one, maybe? Your little Yoda speaks much truth. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/62 "2018-07-11T14:46:13Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > So do you think the 8 who have come forward are lying? You talk sbout probabilities, but what is the probability all of these men would be willing to risk their reputations and dignity just to concoct a story about Jordan? I generally believe the stories about people coming forward. I’ve given it a lot of thought in the #MeToo era. I used to work in show business, with a lot of celebrities. And it was the ‘80’s, things were different…yadda…yadda. You’ve heard it before. And sometimes the playfulness crossed a line. Now, I never personally felt offended or violated. And I never took it as sexual harassment- mostly because the guys I was working with were notoriously gay. But if I opened a newspaper tomorrow and saw that women were accusing a certain celebrity of grabbing their breasts, and that celebrity was denying it — I’d make a call. Because I’d KNOW that the women were right and the guy was a liar. And it wouldn’t matter that I wasn’t bothered when it happened to me. So I tend to believe most of the people that come forward. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/63 "2018-07-11T17:33:00Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I have nothing to add except for this irrelevant fact: Jim Jordan lives less than 5 miles from me. I drive by his house all the time when I go to Urbana. He built a couple buildings adjacent to him home for his “Wrestling Camp.” > > Wrestling is _really really_ big in these parts. Are you sure you’re not referring to his brother, Jeff Jordan’s, camp? > **[Jim Jordan's Wrestling Family: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know](https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/jim-jordan-wrestling-family/)** > > Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio and his family have a long history of wrestling championships at Ohio State University and the University of Wisconsin. (Item 4) ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/64 "2018-07-11T18:16:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > An alternative gloss is that **Typo** is alleging they were willing participants, or why didn’t they fight back? Being such big, burly manly-men. I mean, manly men _never_ get [sexuallyassaulted](http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/terry-crews-details-sexual-assault-in-testimony-to-senate.html). And if they do, they _definitely_ always fight back right away. You’d think Terry Crews speaking out about his experience would dispell notions that men don’t “let” themselves be victimized like women do. But I guess not. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/65 "2018-07-12T09:51:06Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Are you sure you’re not referring to his brother, Jeff Jordan’s, camp? > > [Jim Jordan's Wrestling Family: 5 Fast Facts](https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/jim-jordan-wrestling-family/) > > (Item 4) Ah, you’re right. Thought that was Jim’s house all these years. Did some more checking. Jim lives about half a mile from Jeff. Nice old farm house. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/66 "2018-07-12T13:18:50Z")
What a shock. The coach (Jimbos boss) who signed a letter saying Jim knew nothing about this, is on record saying that he knew about the abuse, spoke to it to school administrators, and confronted Strauss about the abuse. This recording was made prior to the revelations. [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/jordans-boss-the-head-coach-admits-he-knew](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/jordans-boss-the-head-coach-admits-he-knew) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/67 "2018-07-12T13:58:54Z")
To clarify - the “he” in the above should read “the coach”. I blame the voice-to-text software fudging everything up as I typed that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/68 "2018-07-12T18:13:09Z")
By way of _Crooks and Liars_, Louis “Goober” Gohmert blames Hillary . > **[Louis Gohmert Blames Jim Jordan Scandal On Hillary Clinton](https://crooksandliars.com/2018/07/louis-gohmert-blames-jim-jordan-scandal)** > > Someone in Rep. Gohmert's office actually took the time to write a statement blaming Fusion GPS, Hillary Clinton and whoever else was in the way of the spaghetti Gohmert threw at the wall. > [@](#): > > "…he would not be shocked if cash payments had not already been made to the accusers “to purchase a drive-by character assassination of beloved conservative Republican Congressman Jim Jordan.”… ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/69 "2018-07-12T19:51:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > By way of _Crooks and Liars_, Louis “Goober” Gohmert blames Hillary > . > [Louis Gohmert Blames Jim Jordan Scandal On Hillary Clinton | Crooks and Liars](https://crooksandliars.com/2018/07/louis-gohmert-blames-jim-jordan-scandal) If not Hillary, then it was the “Deep State” or George Soros. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/70 "2018-07-12T20:22:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > An alternative gloss is that **Typo** is alleging they were willing participants, or why didn’t they fight back? Being such big, burly manly-men. I mean, manly men _never_ get [sexuallyassaulted](http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/terry-crews-details-sexual-assault-in-testimony-to-senate.html). And if they do, they _definitely_ always fight back right away. I said absolutely nothing of the kind. As to the 8 or 9 who have come forward…that is a perfectly believable number. But 8 or 9 not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is _1500-2000_ number cited in this thread. This number, it seems, would make him one of the most prolific abusers in history. This is an \*extraordinary \*claim. It requires extraordinary evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/71 "2018-07-12T20:26:28Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I said absolutely nothing of the kind. > > As to the 8 or 9 who have come forward…that is a perfectly believable number. > > But 8 or 9 not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is _1500-2000_ number cited in this thread. > > This number, it seems, would make him one of the most prolific abusers in history. This is an \*extraordinary \*claim. It requires extraordinary evidence. Could you point to the post where this claim was made? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/72 "2018-07-12T20:30:39Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > But 8 or 9 not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is _1500-2000_ number cited in this thread. > > This number, it seems, would make him one of the most prolific abusers in history. This is an \*extraordinary \*claim. It requires extraordinary evidence. Sexual abuse has a wide definition. If you include all the students who saw him expose himself in a sexual way, that may be where the 2000 number is coming from. It’s not that he raped or physically assaulted that many. It sounds like he may have been fond of washing his genitals with too much gusto while showering with students. That would certainly be a good way to sexually abuse a dozen or more students at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/73 "2018-07-12T20:35:04Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Sexual abuse has a wide definition. In the cite upthread, they did not use the term sexual abuse. The term used was sexual assault\rape. Just for comparison, the Nassar abuse case was about 300 victims, all minors. At least one of them, probably more, went to the police. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/74 "2018-07-12T20:55:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Could you point to the post where this claim was made? The NBC News article linked on the first page. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/75 "2018-07-12T21:06:04Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > In the cite upthread, they did not use the term sexual abuse. The term used was sexual assault\rape. > > Just for comparison, the Nassar abuse case was about 300 victims, all minors. At least one of them, probably more, went to the police. Sorry, I meant assault, not abuse. Assault is any unwanted sexual advance, which includes sexual exposure. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/76 "2018-07-13T01:49:38Z")
Every day it seems the bastard “gets more guilty”. And someone should put Gomer Goober out of our misery once and for all. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/77 "2018-07-13T02:39:55Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The NBC News article linked on the first page. Neither that page nor the more extensive article it links to says 1500, 2000 or even uses the word thousand. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/78 "2018-07-13T06:24:14Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I said absolutely nothing of the kind. Yes, that would be why I said “alleging” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/79 "2018-07-13T07:16:28Z")
I answered this question before, in post 19. Even highlighted the number: > [@JohnT](#): > > [Powerful GOP Rep. Jim Jordan accused of turning blind eye to sexual abuse as Ohio State wrestling coach](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/powerful-gop-rep-jim-jordan-accused-turning-blind-eye-sexual-n888386) > > “Strauss sexually assaulted male athletes in at least fifteen varsity sports during his employment at OSU from 1978 through 1998,” DiSabato wrote in a June 26 email to Kathleen M. Trafford of Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the Columbus-based law firm that represents Ohio State. “Athlete victims include members of the following programs: football, basketball, wrestling, swimming, cheerleading, volleyball, lacrosse, gymnastics, ice hockey, soccer, baseball, tennis, track and cross country.” > > Chillingly, DiSabato added: “Based on testimony from victim athletes from each of the aforementioned varsity sports, we estimate that Strauss sexually assaulted and/or raped **a minimum of 1,500/2,000 athletes at OSU from 1978 through 1998.**" ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230/80 "2018-07-13T15:27:09Z")
Yup. That number jumped out at me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-jordan-accused-of-ignoring-sexual-abuse-as-a-coach/817230.md?page=5)