# Jim Morrison of the DOORS is alive truly having faked his death in 1971 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 30, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478 "2011-01-30T03:07:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/41 "2011-01-30T07:44:16Z")
As Sherriff Al Chambers asked, “Well, if the woman up there is[del] Mrs. Bates [/del] Jim Morrison… who’s that [del]woman[/del] fat guy buried out in [del]Greenlawn[/del] Pere LaChais Cemetery?” ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/42 "2011-01-30T07:48:35Z")
> [@oliversarmy](#): > > If indeed this marginally talented lounge singer were still alive, why would anyone care? Indeed. He was good at introducing drama into pop music. That and leather pants. None of these work if you’re over 25. Oh, and the singer of [INXS stole both ideas](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLL7JdnIk0). And he looked like [this](http://www.blender.com.au/assets/Uploads/_resampled/resizer-michael-hutchence-by-tony-mott2.jpg) before his jim morrisson make-over. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/43 "2011-01-30T07:50:50Z")
It’s all true. Jim Morrisson faked his own death on July 3, 1971. He had a fake body made up, got a doctor to pronounce him dead, had a funeral and burial. He was all set. Then he got hit by a truck crossing the street two weeks later. Pretty ironic. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/44 "2011-01-30T09:48:58Z")
So it was Morrison, and not Elvis who was cooking in that Denny’s in Wichita? Also, I have it on good authority(aka my Rectal Cavity) that the Oregon Cowboy is actually Gram Parsons. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/45 "2011-01-30T10:21:52Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > People are strange. When? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/46 "2011-01-30T11:16:32Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Stephen King, in the expanded edition of _The Stand_, has his well-grounded, solid-as-a-rock character Stu Redman say he saw Jim Morrison pass through town just a few years before, and was astonished to recognize the long-thought-dead Doors singer as he filled up at the gas station where Stu worked. If I remember right, he says that he thinks he saw Morrison. He wasn’t sure. He also said that if Morrison survived the superflu, he’d be hanging out in Vegas with Randall Flagg. So even if he faked his death, he’s dead now. ---
**Author:** ![beartato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@beartato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beartato)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/47 "2011-01-30T11:50:36Z")
Well damn. Whose grave did I spraypaint and then pass out drunk on last night then? ---
**Author:** ![Jlizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8edcca/32.png) [@Jlizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jlizard)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/48 "2011-01-30T12:40:54Z")
I greatly appreciate everyone who took time out to post on this thread. From the bottom of my heart thank you and know that Jim Morrison is alive and lives under the name Bill Loyer. There are several of us trying to break out this truth. The Museum of Hoaxes was developed over several years before the plug was pulled. If you read the last few posts, it seems like Cliff Morrison’s exmanager. ``` High Mountain Rogue is a website developed by David Logan who was Jim's friend in Oregon for several years. He posts actual pictures of Jim now and then. ``` I don’t know who MJHDC is, but they too use youtube to plea with viewers to open their minds and hearts and use a little intellect towards the Jim case. ``` Dozens of names are posted in the credits of Gerald Pitts' Jim Morrison Redeemed video and 10 years later none have complained. I have spoken with some of them and they think it could be Jim. ``` Jim almost did die along the way because of the damage he did to himself as a DOOR and afterwards. His wife Dr. Marsha is the main reason we still have him alive today. ``` If readers here just dislike Jim because of the things he said or him being a druggie I say that's fine just put your cards on the table. But what I am objectively seeking out here is any information on who Bill Loyer is, why he and those who have met him say that it's Jim, and what should be done to the remaining DOORS for having covered it up all these years. ``` ---
**Author:** ![beartato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@beartato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beartato)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/49 "2011-01-30T12:45:46Z")
So, Jlizard, can you tell us why “they” are trying to cover up the fact that Morrison is alive? Who has something to gain, and what is it exactly? ---
**Author:** ![KinkiNipponTourist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9bcb4/32.png) [@KinkiNipponTourist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KinkiNipponTourist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/50 "2011-01-30T12:48:46Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Pretty much every “dead” celebrity. 😃 > > At least Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead. “General Franco was a loyal friend and ally of the United States. He earned worldwide respect for Spain through firmness and fairness”–Nixon :D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/51 "2011-01-30T12:57:09Z")
I’m Jim Fucking Morrison (or Confirm Jugs Oink Rim, if you prefer), and if you don’t like it, you can lump it. ---
**Author:** ![DataZak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea666f/32.png) [@DataZak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DataZak)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/52 "2011-01-30T13:00:12Z")
> [@Jlizard](#): > > If readers here just dislike Jim because of the things he said or him being a druggie I say that’s fine just put your cards on the table. I don’t hate Jim Morrison. I just don’t care if he is alive and living in Oregon. There are more interesting conspiracies theories out there like, [Did Stephen King kill John Lennon?](http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/) Damn you, Stephen King! ---
**Author:** ![Jlizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8edcca/32.png) [@Jlizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jlizard)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/53 "2011-01-30T14:53:50Z")
{“So, Jlizard, can you tell us why “they” are trying to cover up the fact that Morrison is alive? Who has something to gain, and what is it exactly?”} Thanks Beartato, I think between Jim’s high iq and enormous drug usage he was really tough to work with so a lot of people breathed a sigh of relief when he faked his death. Then the legend took a life of its own for a bit, but by the time Oliver Stone’s movie came out the DOORS had been forgotten- superceded by 80s type of music and other bands. Stone’s movie opened the door for rock and roll to come back and shortly thereafter you had STP, Nirvana, Pearl Jam and about a dozen others making it to center stage. Ian Ashberry from the Cult was called in to be the (sued for 6 milllion dollar) Doors of the 21st Century and most critics say this was the worst second chance attempt in the history of rock in roll. Without a doubt the DOORS did not want to steal limelight or revenue from the Jim Morrison DOORS… but Ray and Robbie just wanted a job for themselves to keep the DOORS fire raging. In 2006 the pseudo Doors scheduled a concert in the remote mountains of Oregon, less than an hour from where Bill Loyer lives. I saw it posted on their website then I saw them mysteriously cancel it. Gerald Pitts told me that since Bill Loyer didn’t contact them at that time and agree to do things on their terms they had no reason to go thru with it. When you research how long Cliff Morrison has been friends with Morrison’s direct family and performing with Robby Krieger’s son Waylon and how little press this has gotten you realize that something doesn’t make sense here. I don’t like the idea of making someone take a dna test as to me it is scary what scientists can do with dna and i think this should only be done in homicide and perhaps paternity suits. Bill has told me personally, over the phone, that he appreciates my efforts in letting fans who loved him know that he’s still alive. This is why I continue. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/54 "2011-01-30T15:10:03Z")
> [@beartato](#): > > Well damn. Whose grave did I spraypaint and then pass out drunk on last night then? Who’s. He’s not dead either, he’s just regenerating. ---
**Author:** ![beartato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@beartato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beartato)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/55 "2011-01-30T15:14:00Z")
> [@Jlizard](#): > > I don’t like the idea of making someone take a dna test as to me it is scary what scientists can do with dna and i think this should only be done in homicide and perhaps paternity suits. What is it that you feel that scientists can do with DNA that is scary? You feel it can be used to prove a person has commited homicide, or fathered a child. Why do you not believe it can prove someone is or is not who they say they are? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/56 "2011-01-30T15:17:48Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > When? When you’re a stranger. I set it up, come on and knock it down! ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/57 "2011-01-30T15:25:11Z")
Has Jim changed his mind about petitioning the lord with prayer? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/58 "2011-01-30T16:21:05Z")
> [@Jlizard](#): > > Bill has told me personally, over the phone, that he appreciates my efforts in letting fans who loved him know that he’s still alive. Maybe. But you have to think that if Jim/Bill wants to get the word out that he’s still alive, he could do it himself a lot more effectively. Why doesn’t he just announce it at a press conference? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/59 "2011-01-30T17:13:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Maybe. But you have to think that if Jim/Bill wants to get the word out that he’s still alive, he could do it himself a lot more effectively. Why doesn’t he just announce it at a press conference? Jlizard, if you would, please address the above quote. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/60 "2011-01-30T17:44:55Z")
Maybe Jim/Bill can’t interfere directly in the lives of mere mortals, he can only encourage them over the phone or appear to them in visions quests. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478.md?page=4)