# Jim Morrison of the DOORS is alive truly having faked his death in 1971 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 30, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478 "2011-01-30T03:07:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/121 "2011-02-02T10:19:16Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > ^ Dammit, I hate when I post from the first page only to discover there are 3. I don’t think knowing what the hell is going on is a big requirement in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/122 "2011-02-02T12:30:04Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Nah, he had a Shelby Cobra named the Blue Lady…which has never been found since his death… It’s probably in Oregon. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/123 "2011-02-02T18:17:57Z")
> [@Jlizard](#): > > …but by the time Oliver Stone’s movie came out the DOORS had been forgotten- superceded by 80s type of music and other bands. Stone’s movie opened the door for rock and roll to come back and shortly thereafter you had STP, Nirvana, Pearl Jam and about a dozen others making it to center stage. I can deal with a crazy half-baked “Morrison is Alive” conspiracy theory (perhaps by a totally baked individual), but you cannot insult us good 'dopers with the claim that Oliver Stone was the catalyst for the early 90’s music movement from the Seattle area > [@ShelliBean](#): > > And I bet Jim has a bitchin’ Camaro. Following Jlizard’s logic, clearly, Eddie Vedder was channeling his inner Bill Loyer when he wrote the line: > [@](#): > > I wish I was the full moon shining off your Camaro’s hood ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/124 "2011-02-02T18:51:05Z")
This Is Just To Say I have eaten the Jim Morrison that was in the icebox and which you were probably saving for breakfast Forgive me he was delicious so sweet and so cold ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/125 "2011-02-02T18:56:23Z")
> [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > And I have to say, the OP is deeply disappointing in not descending to forensic detail like our lamented poster in the Jimi Hendrix thread did. I can’t really get traction on this particular brand of reality-disconnect. Yeah, but to be fair, **Jetblast** had to come up with a cornucopia of crazy in order to persuade us that there needed to be a new investigation of Hendrix’s death. This guy just wants to sell a DVD. Morrison is better off dead so we can spin conspiracy theories about his murder. _"One of the last places Morrison visited during his final days was Marseilles [France]. In my book, Opium Lords, I concluded that President Kennedy’s assassins were [French Corsicans] recruited in Marseilles, probably at the behest of the FBI, because the Bureau was created by a member of a famous Corsican family, the Bonapartes. In 1908, the Bureau was created by Attorney General Charles Joseph Bonaparte, great nephew of Napoleon Bonaparte_…"\* Hangs together pretty well, huh? Just connect the dots. There’s [other great stuff](http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htm) on the site regarding the FBI/Jewish/Corsican conspiracy against rock stars. \*great-great-great-great-great grandfather of Pete Bonaparte, owner of Pete’s Auto Partes in Red Bank, New Jersey. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/126 "2011-02-02T18:59:39Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > There’s a killer on the road > His brain is squirmin’ like a toad > > 'Til the stars fall from the sky > for you and I Again, do you listen to any other pop music? If so, how can you justify this being particularly bad? If not, why do you care / why are you singling out The Doors? ---
**Author:** ![beartato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@beartato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beartato)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/127 "2011-02-02T19:06:00Z")
I don’t want to derail this thread (ha!), but I’ve lived in the US, and Canada, and the UK, and also some barely first world countries, and traveled to many third world ones. It’s amusing to me that, compared to the dictatorships where the government is actually spying on you and pretty evil, it’s the US and the UK and Canada where people are so paranoid about their government, that they contemplate not only crazy conspiracy theories about terrorist attacks and natural disasters, but also the disappearances of non-particularly-important popstars. I’m on to you, North America! Socialized medicine and the Lizard King, there IS a connection somewhere! Also something taxes something tin foil something. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/128 "2011-02-02T19:20:20Z")
> [@beartato](#): > > I don’t want to derail this thread (ha!), but I’ve lived in the US, and Canada, and the UK, and also some barely first world countries, and traveled to many third world ones. It’s amusing to me that, compared to the dictatorships where the government is actually spying on you and pretty evil, it’s the US and the UK and Canada where people are so paranoid about their government, that they contemplate not only crazy conspiracy theories about terrorist attacks and natural disasters, but also the disappearances of non-particularly-important popstars. I’m on to you, North America! Socialized medicine and the Lizard King, there IS a connection somewhere! Also something taxes something tin foil something. Jim had access to whatever healthcare he might have wanted. He didn’t want any. He wasn’t paranoid, but he should have been suspect about the authorities and police. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/129 "2011-02-02T19:21:27Z")
**POWER** I can make the earth stop in its tracks. I made the blue cars go away. I can make myself invisible or small. I can become gigantic & reach the farthest things. I can change the course of nature. I can place myself anywhere in space or time. I can summon the dead. I can perceive events on other worlds, in my deepest inner mind, & in the minds of others. I can I am James Douglas Morrison ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/130 "2011-02-02T19:26:15Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Actually, what really happened was that he dared to go down to the end of the town without consulting me. Pure disobedience. I see what you did there. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![beartato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@beartato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beartato)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/131 "2011-02-02T19:27:54Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Jim had access to whatever healthcare he might have wanted. He didn’t want any. He wasn’t paranoid, but he should have been suspect about the authorities and police. The medicine wasn’t part of it. I was just joking about how the believers tie together random things, like a rockstar and law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/132 "2011-02-02T19:34:33Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Again, do you listen to any other pop music? > > If so, how can you justify this being particularly bad? > > If not, why do you care / why are you singling out The Doors? woodstockbirdybird’s is just the converse of the attitude that if you praise a rock group (or any artist of any kind) then you must defend every work ever done, as if there can’t be highs and lows in a career. Personally, I like the Doors a lot. They put out six good albums, good from start to finish, something that was rare at the time when even top groups tended to stick bunches of filler alongside of hits. You can tell Morrison’s work from Krieger’s because HE WAS A BETTER WRITER OF LYRICS. I haven’t read his books of poetry so I can’t judge those. But he wrote good lyrics that are good poetry for rock lyrics. His best attribute was a fine sense of imagery. Imagery is critical for good poetry and Morrison was better than most of his peers. Yes, he went downhill as drugs consumed his brain, but that doesn’t mean he was bad to start with. The Doors functioned as a band to a far greater degree than many groups who had stars and back-ups and that led to a higher average quality and fewer bombs. Virtually every group of the time wished they could have a lead singer as amazing as Morrison - when he was sober - and I’m sure that’s just as true today. I dump on him more for destroying the music through drugs than for his poetry. ---
**Author:** ![BurgerKing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@BurgerKing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BurgerKing)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/133 "2011-06-18T13:11:45Z")
at the time - 1971 - it would have been a simpler process to fake a death, travel without much consequence, and re-invent one’s self into almost anything or anyone. So, on that level, a faked JM death has plausibility. ~ Fast forward to Pitt’s claims - the “admission” by Loyer of who he really is (or was) - but then, after what I would call a “bombshell” admission - we get nothing but genralities and vague references - in a time when specific verification can happen with various test’s of our day – DNA, fingerprints, voice matching, etc. ~ We believe in what we believe in - and sometimes we see things in the dark that are not there - in 2011 we as a society have become more of a “prove it” species than having faith in “truth”. ~ So in respect and ackowledgment of our times - these 40 years forward - “prove it”. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/134 "2011-06-18T14:36:10Z")
I think the word “zombie” was brought up on the very first page of this thread. A coincidence? I think not! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/135 "2011-06-18T14:56:04Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I think the word “zombie” was brought up on the very first page of this thread. > A coincidence? > I think not! This thread is more of a mummy. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/136 "2011-06-18T15:00:15Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > This thread is more of a mummy. Well done! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/137 "2011-06-18T15:04:26Z")
We all thought this thread died in February, but it evidently faked its death and has been hiding out on a remote ranch in Oregon. Unless it’s an imposter thread … ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/138 "2011-06-18T15:05:15Z")
OK, who left the door of perception open? ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/139 "2011-06-18T21:45:38Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > William Loyer is an anagram for Wily Mole Lair. Or _Mr. Mojo Lyin’_ . ---
**Author:** ![Gobhock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@Gobhock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gobhock)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478/140 "2011-06-28T18:09:08Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > William Loyer is an anagram for Wily Mole Lair. > > Just sayin’. or Lair Lye I’m Low Lair - The den or dwelling of a wild animal. A hideaway. Obsolete . A resting place. Lye- falsehood…(yes it can be spelled like this)..the rest is obvious..Just like anagrams thats all… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jim-morrison-of-the-doors-is-alive-truly-having-faked-his-death-in-1971/569478.md?page=8)