# Jimi Hendrix Was Murdered **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 19, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578 "2010-01-19T17:22:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/281 "2010-02-17T17:56:13Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > You know, I promised myself that I wouldn’t get involved in this, but your statement (below) demands that I respond.Hey, I don’t need to read what I wrote, because I wrote what I wrote. And, I wrote:Did you miss the “If” as in “If you drown . . . by . . . wine . . .”? How does me saying “If” he was drowned by wine, prove that he _was_ drowned by wine? You can’t be serious. ``` I understand your being so visibly unable to answer the rest of what I wrote and why. The beauty of this is people can see the psychological denial mechanisms being used here to avoid answering the points. People can see you pretending that what you offered above is adequate to not repsonding to the rest of what I wrote. In other words, you just can't answer. The harder you blow against that the stronger you make my case. Your pretense of superior argument, in light of this, is almost comical. ``` ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/282 "2010-02-17T18:10:46Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > Honest people can see […] > > The beauty of this is people can see […] > > People can see […] No. People do not see this. Only _you_ see this. Stop pretending to know what other people take away from your arguments. All the evidence in this thread shows nobody but _you_ see this. Not a single person. Not only that, it’s a very weak rhetorical technique and, frankly, insulting and counterproductive to insinuate that you know what “honest people” and “intelligent people” and “anyone” thinks. You’re basically saying to your audience, “you’re all dishonest idiots if you don’t believe me, because, of course, everybody _but_ you can see this.” Why don’t you have a look around and really see what intelligent, honest, and most people really _do_ think. Hint: it’s not anything what you wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/283 "2010-02-17T20:26:32Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > No. People do not see this. Only _you_ see this. Stop pretending to know what other people take away from your arguments. All the evidence in this thread shows nobody but _you_ see this. Not a single person. Not only that, it’s a very weak rhetorical technique and, frankly, insulting and counterproductive to insinuate that you know what “honest people” and “intelligent people” and “anyone” thinks. You’re basically saying to your audience, “you’re all dishonest idiots if you don’t believe me, because, of course, everybody _but_ you can see this.” Why don’t you have a look around and really see what intelligent, honest, and most people really _do_ think. Hint: it’s not anything what you wrote. ``` You're not answering the points. That's all you need to know. You're not answering the points because you *can't* answer the points. Fool yourself as to why any self-exposing way you wish. It only strengthens my arguments. You are struggling with your conscience and not what I wrote whether you realize it or not. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/284 "2010-02-17T20:31:15Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > You are struggling with your conscience and not what I wrote whether you realize it or not. Enough already. I tolerated your arguments no matter how ridiculous they got, but you’ve made more than your share of personal assumptions about other posters and their motives and innermost thoughts. If you post any more of these you’ll receive a formal warning and I’ll shut this thread down. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/285 "2010-02-17T22:37:22Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > It only strengthens my arguments. Only in your head does this appear to be true. > [@](#): > > You are struggling with your conscience and not what I wrote whether you realize it or not. Um, no. Believe me, my conscience isn’t struggling and I’m not losing any sleep over Hendrix’s death. If I had any doubts about the cause of his death at the beginning of this thread, I don’t any more. Do you realize how asinine your statement sounds? I can just as easily say “Jetblast, you are struggling with cognitive dissonance, and deep down in your heart you know your theory is complete hogwash, but you just can’t let go since it lets you feel somehow superior to others because only you can see some hidden truth nobody else can, whether you realize it or not.” What kind of rhetorical technique is this? Anyhow, I don’t even see what your point is any more. I thought it was to try and convince us that Jimi Hendrix was murdered, but it’s devolved to an incoherent screed, with no apparent attempt at bringing people over to your point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/286 "2010-02-17T22:47:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’ll shut this thread down. Ha! That’ll just prove that you’re in on the conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/287 "2010-02-17T23:41:21Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Ha! That’ll just prove that you’re in on the conspiracy. Hey, don’t forget that _I_ have been cast under a pall of suspicion regarding the actual Hendrix murder, [according to Jetblast](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12016560&postcount=39). > [@Jetblast](#): > > What you write almost comes off as boasting admission via trolling ridicule. Alright, this gets settled _right now_. I did it. I sneaked out of my house in the dead of night while my parents slept, flew to Heathrow (where it was even deader night), caught a cab to Hendrix’s apartment, woke Monika and told her to go out for some smokes, convinced Hendrix to down a handful of Vesperax, and subsequently poured several bottles of Boone’s Farm strawberry wine (which I had concealed on my person) into him. I then shinnied down a drainpipe, avoiding Eric Burdon (who was knocking on the door), wrote a cryptic message in the dew and made good my escape. I don’t know why I did it…it just seemed like a good idea at the time. I won’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/288 "2010-02-17T23:55:23Z")
I’m the Hendrix Killer! ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/289 "2010-02-18T00:04:45Z")
I buried Paul! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/290 "2010-02-18T00:09:14Z")
> [@Girl\_From\_Mars](#): > > I think **Marley23** was in on it. **Marley23** , where were you on the night on September 18th, 1970? I cannot account for my whereabouts on the night of his death. I would ask my father about it, but since it was 1970, he probably wouldn’t know either. ---
**Author:** ![Noel\_Prosequi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b19c9b/32.png) [@Noel\_Prosequi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noel_Prosequi)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/291 "2010-02-18T03:04:27Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Hey, don’t forget that _I_ have been cast under a pall of suspicion regarding the actual Hendrix murder, [according to Jetblast](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12016560&postcount=39).Alright, this gets settled _right now_. > > I did it. I sneaked out of my house in the dead of night while my parents slept, flew to Heathrow (where it was even deader night), caught a cab to Hendrix’s apartment, woke Monika and told her to go out for some smokes, convinced Hendrix to down a handful of Vesperax, and subsequently poured several bottles of Boone’s Farm strawberry wine (which I had concealed on my person) into him. I then shinnied down a drainpipe, avoiding Eric Burdon (who was knocking on the door), wrote a cryptic message in the dew and made good my escape. > > I don’t know why I did it…it just seemed like a good idea at the time. > > I won’t do it again. I must have missed you while I was busy organising the Mafia and MI5 to send thugs around to help. That Jeffrey bloke was bloody useless at that sort of thing. I hope they turned up. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/292 "2010-02-18T20:50:25Z")
Oh no, another pop celebrity death overshadowed by foul intrigue! [Gordon Lightfoot is dead, then undead](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552733). I swear I haven’t been in Canada recently. ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/293 "2010-02-23T19:38:28Z")
From what I see I don’t think there are many people with serious interest in this, but in case there are I suggest reading this chapter by Astucia. He provides some critically relevant background information on Hendrix’s death. ``` http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Chapter12.htm ``` . ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/294 "2010-02-23T20:24:54Z")
Astucia quoting Bannister: > [@](#): > > Bannister: Jimi Hendrix had been dead for some time, without a doubt, hours rather than minutes. He didn’t have any pulse. The inside of his mouth and mucous membranes were black because he had been dead for some time. He had had no circulation through his tissues at any time immediately prior to coming to hospital…[Red wine] was coming out of his nose and out of his mouth. It was horrific. The whole scene is very vivid, because you don’t often see people who have drowned in their own red wine. There was red wine all over him, I think that he was naked but he had something around him—whether it was a towel or a jumper—around his neck. That was saturated in red wine. His hair was matted…The medical staff used an 18 inch metal sucker to try to clear Hendrix’s airway, but it would just fill up with red wine from the stomach…He was completely cold. I personally think he died long before. He was cold and he was blue. He had all the parameters of somebody who had been dead for some time. We worked on him for about half an hour without any response at all. There was a medical registrar, myself, nursing staff and I think one other doctor. I didn’t even know who Jimi Hendrix was. It’s tragic that such a bloke died in those circumstances. ``` We can assume the "18 inch metal sucker" is a device with a predictable flow rate Bannister or others could relate to us. It is silly to argue over the flow capacity of the suction device since it can be fairly reasonably rendered as can Bannister's estimation. ``` > [@](#): > > Astucia: In addition, there was practically no alcohol in the bloodstream. Someone apparently poured red wine down Jimi’s throat to intentionally cause asphyxiation after first causing barbiturate intoxication. This person apparently slipped him a large quantity of barbiturates which caused him to go into a temporary coma. During this time his natural reflexes stopped working. This means he lost the ability to cough as a natural response to liquid going down his windpipe. Without the ability to cough he was easily drowned. And he was drowned in an extremely sinister manner. Large quantities of red wine were poured down his throat. As he strangled, he spewed huge amounts of vomit, something that normally happens with drowning victims, but according to the physician who worked on him, Hendrix did not die from drowning in his own vomit. He died from drowning in red wine. ``` Perhaps Astucia makes a mistake here by alleging someone else caused the barbiturate intoxication. It could be that Hendrix took the pills himself as we see from his conversation with his doctor in New York about needing sleep. Was Hendrix told these extra-strong Vesparax were "Tuinols" as he related to his New York doctor? ``` > [@](#): > > Two years later, on September 10, 1995, Dr. Bannister made additional remarks on BBC Radio One’s Wink of an Eye. The following is an excerpt: > > [Hendrix] did not have an obstruction of the airways. What he had, was that he had a drowning of the airways. His lungs were completely overcome by fluid. One does a tracheotomy to get better access to the trachea and to the airways. But his problems were below that. The body was cold, there were no signs of circulation and my overall impression was he’d been dead for several hours.25 ``` The doctor indicates a clear separation of windpipe-obstructing vomit from lung-filling wine. If Hendrix had died from mixing pills and wine he drank himself both the blood alcohol level would have been higher and the stomach contents would have digested and mixed with the wine. The wine is too separated to be normally-ingested wine. Plus we have more than reasonably isolated too much wine to be accounted for by the claimed manner of death. The clear, separated wine is exactly what you would see if Hendrix was drowned in wine. That is exactly why Doctor Bannister is saying what he is saying, because he noticed the signs of drowning in wine and not the signs of choking on vomit. Responding to this by saying "Bannister was struck-off for fraud" is not a valid answer. No one has shown why being struck-off for book-keeping is reason to dismiss Doctor Bannister's professional medical judgment. ``` > [@](#): > > In 1997, Tony Brown contacted the two ambulance attendants, Reginal Jones and John Saua, who responded to a call that Hendrix was unable to wake up. The ambulance reached the Samarkand Hotel at 11:27 AM. The following is Reginal Jones’s description of what they found, as told to Tony Brown: > > It was horrific, we arrived at the flat, the door was flung open, nobody about, just the body on the bed. We called out for someone, loads of times, so we walked in. We went into the bedroom, it was dark because the curtains were still pulled, I mean the gas fire was on but you couldn’t see anything, your eyes had to adjust. He was covered in vomit, there was tons of it all over the pillow, black and brown it was. His airway was completely blocked all the way down, his tongue had fallen back, he was flat on his back you see. The room was dark, we had to pull the curtains. Well we had to get the police, we only had him and an empty flat, so John ran up and radioed, got the aspirator too. We felt his pulse between his shoulders, pinched his earlobe and nose, showed a light in his eyes, but there was no response at all. I knew he was dead as soon as I walked in the room, you get a feel for it, I can’t explain it, but you do and I knew he was dead. Once the police arrived which seemed like no time at all, we got him off to the hospital as quick as we could. See we just have to keep working on him and we did, my shirt was wringing wet. ‘Cos the ambulances in them days, weren’t equipped like they are now, we had them crazy Wadhams [type of ambulance] in them days, awful they was. We took him to St. Mary Abbots. That don’t have a casualty ward now but in them days it did. That was our designated hospital for the day. There was a ‘bed state’ at St. Charles, you found out at the beginning of your shift what your designated hospital was. ``` No doubt from the ambulance attendants that Hendrix was long deceased. I think we can assume this version, that is backed by every other witness, rather than Dannemann's, is the correct version. ``` > [@](#): > > The other ambulance attendant, John Saua, gave a version remarkably similar as Reginal Jones’s version, although the two men had not spoken since they worked together in September 1970. Jones’s regular partner was off that week and Saua filled in. Afterwards, the two men never saw each other again. The following is Saua’s version of events, as told to Tony Brown: > > Well I remember we had a hell of a time trying to suck him out [with an aspirator]. I mean the vomit was dry, and there was a hell of a lot of it. The aspirators in those days were all right but not like you have today, they couldn’t shift that lot. I mean we knew it was hopeless, nothing would have worked. To tell the truth, I thought it was an overdose. It wasn’t really my business to diagnose, I just had to keep working. There were no bed clothes on top of him. An ambulance crew by law just has to keep on working on him until we get him to the hospital. There was no pulse, no respiration. We got down to the flat, and there was nobody but the body on the bed. So we had to radio for the police from the ambulance. We couldn’t touch anything in the flat. As I say, we knew he was gone, he was on top of the bed dressed, but I didn’t recognize him, don’t know anybody would have recognized him, his mother wouldn’t have recognized him. He was in a pool of vomit, it was everywhere, but we are not doctors, it’s our job to keep trying till we get him to the hospital, we can’t proclaim him dead…I vaguely remember taking a sample of the vomit in a container, because we didn’t know what he had taken. So as soon as the police arrived, we were off. I was in the back with Jimi, Reg drove. When we moved him, the gases were gurgling, you get when someone has died, it wasn’t too pleasant. The vomit was all the way down, we couldn’t have got an airway down. He was flat on his back, it’s a shame he wasn’t on his side because he probably would have pulled through. ``` It's important to note our witnesses saw large piles of vomit on Hendrix. A forensic determination should be incurred here to see what kind of barbiturate paralysis of the gag reflex occurred from a 3.9 percent of blood level. In other words, if the gag reflex was inhibited to the extent it was would it be able to produce the witnessed vomit event? This is a forensic determination that would show that the vomit seen was more likely the result of a strong body reaction to death. Since the wine had been forensically witnessed as being deeper into the body, and therefore first, we have validly established the clear forensic pathology of drowning in wine. The vomit then followed as a bodily reaction to death. This is further reinforced by the loose wine seen on the bed and around Hendrix. No doubt we are seeing what is plain and obvious. Hendrix was forcefully drowned in wine while passed-out on Vesparax sleeping tablets. Although claimed to the contrary, if you go back and read this thread every single poster who tried to offer an alternative explanation was refuted. Most did not return to offer a follow-through. I believe we have more than reasonably shown evidence for murder despite the attacks against it. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/295 "2010-02-23T21:40:18Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > To wit: > Monika Dannemann has been proven to be a liar by multiple credible witnesses like the constable called to the scene for the very reason that Dannemann was not there, unlike she claimed. The very fact that a constable was called proves she wasn’t there because law required the attendants to summon the police if there was no one present at a death scene. > > ``` > Monika Dannemann told the official Inquest, at which the official cause of death was determined, that she was at the flat and met the ambulance when they arrived. She said she witnessed their handling and removal of Hendrix to the ambulance in which she then accompanied them to the hospital. > > Both the constable and attendants said there was no one in sight at the flat and that Hendrix was taken to hospital alone. > > Dannemann's story was that she woke up around 9am and found Hendrix fine and breathing and that she then stepped-out for cigarettes (Researchers say there was no nearby store). When she returned she said she noticed a drool of vomit on Hendrix's chin and that he wasn't breathing or responding. > > The ambulance attendants said that Hendrix's head, shoulders, and pillow were covered with dense vomit and wine. > > Dannemann said Hendrix was alive when the ambulance men took him. > > The ambulance men said Hendrix was dead but they had to treat it like a potential recovery. > > Eric Burdon admitted to a Hendrix author that they cleaned the flat of drugs before they called the ambulance (so they must have known Hendrix was dead because it defies belief they would clean the flat next to a choking and dying Hendrix). > So we have more than enough proven evidence that the official verdict was based on proven lies which now makes that verdict invalid. > I'd also like to add that the easily-disproven story could just as easily been disproven back then with some simple investigation and the fact no such effort was made is suspicious. > > ``` So a chick who was partying with Hendrix the night he died in a drunken stupor isn’t a good witness and his entourage removed drugs from the scene before authorities arrived. Color me surprised that someone taking drugs and drinking heavily dies from asphyxiation. If you’ve ever had a bout of reflux while sleeping (sober) you’d know just how deadly this would be if someone vomits during an intoxicated state of sleep. I can tell you from personal experience that you have to be able to wake up while bile first starts traveling up the esophagus to stop an incredibly nasty transfer of stomach fluids into the lungs. Reflux is something that happens without the violent muscle contraction involved in vomiting and in itself is a deadly event with babies. If someone is the least bit sedated it is a death sentence to vomit while sleeping. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/296 "2010-02-23T22:51:23Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > From what I see I don’t think there are many people with serious interest in this, but in case there are I suggest reading this chapter by Astucia. He provides some critically relevant background information on Hendrix’s death. > > ``` > http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Chapter12.htm > > ``` > > . A book where the author “solves” John Lennon’s murder by watching Rosemary’s Baby? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/297 "2010-02-23T23:14:47Z")
First off, **Jetblast** , Astucia is a fucking lunatic. He seems to think the Anti-Defamation League was involved in the death of Michael Jackson. I was going to say he’s also a raving anti-Semite, but then I read the part where he quite reasonably says “I am not a huge fan Hitler’s.” The fact that you’re using this guy as a cite really says everything that needs to be said about your theory. Even if we ignore all that, he is mostly repeating the same Bannister quotes you’ve been using all thread while making up a bunch of connections between Hendrix’s death and other events. And you’ve been asked this before, but why did Bannister and other waste “half an hour” on Hendrix when they could see he’d been dead for hours? I see three explanations for that: stupidity, incompetence, and boredom. Maybe nobody else was brought to the emergency room that night? Othrwise someone might have said “Hey, stop sucking wine out of that dead guy and try to save some of our living patients!” ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/298 "2010-02-24T00:39:26Z")
Dear God…he’s ba-ack. O.K., now we’ve got the nearly 30-year-old remembrances of a couple of ambulance attendants, one of whom “just knows” when someone is dead the instant he enters the room (there’s training for you), both of whom don’t recall oodles of wine splashed all over the death scene, but instead Biblical quantities of vomit. We’re supposed to believe the Hendrix-urp isn’t important because the wine was “deeper” in the body, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean, according to Bannister the Master Resuscitator Of The Dead with his Magical 18-Inch Tube. > [@Jetblast](#): > > This is a forensic determination that would show that the vomit seen was more likely the result of a strong body reaction to death. Since the wine had been forensically witnessed as being deeper into the body, and therefore first, we have validly established the clear forensic pathology of drowning in wine. The vomit then followed as a bodily reaction to death. There are things the body may do as a “reaction to death” (which I’ll omit mentioning to prevent this thread from getting any more nauseating than it already is) but tossing your cookies is not one of them. If this were true, we’d have to reshoot tons of movies. What would it do to murder mystery films if we had to watch the victims barfing all over the place? Or war movies? You don’t want to think about it. > [@Bannister via Astucia](#): > > The medical staff used an 18 inch metal sucker to try to clear Hendrix’s airway, but it would just fill up with red wine from the stomach Newsflash, Dr. Bannister - the only way that could have occurred is if Hendrix was still alive :eek: or, more likely, if you and the Keystone Medical Staff were suctioning out fluid from his stomach all along. I appreciate the latest additions to the incredibly sinister-MI5-mob-thug-insurance-scam-message-in-the-dew-fabricating-hysterical-wine-soaked-groupie-girlfriend-Eric Burdon-at-dawn-Third Reich-18-inch tube/metal sucker-fountains-o’-wine-gushing-from-the-windpipe-literary roadie-barbiturate-polluting-crazy Wadhams-noble gas fart-exploding-extreme body reaction-evacuation process-3.9-mg-percent-tons-o’ dense-vomit-undeniable forensic theory. But all you get from having a variety of silly people recite it, is mass silliness. ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/299 "2010-02-24T06:00:03Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > O.K., now we’ve got the nearly 30-year-old remembrances of a couple of ambulance attendants, one of whom “just knows” when someone is dead the instant he enters the room (there’s training for you), both of whom don’t recall oodles of wine splashed all over the death scene, but instead Biblical quantities of vomit. ``` You're not paying attention. The wine was witnessed by the attendants. I'll find the quote - they're scattered around. But you're foolish to question it in the first place since there were many witnesses who saw the wine. But more importantly you should realize there couldn't be any wine saturating Hendrix's hair, clothes, and the towel wrapped around his neck unless there was. It's kind of foolish not to realize this and make an argument so contrary to the known facts. The first statements were closer to 1990, or 20 years after. However, if you were paying attention, separately-taken accounts from many witnesses all said the same thing. Your points are meaningless. What kills your specious attempt above is the fact Dannemann admitted to Sharon Lawrence that she tried to wash 'sick' off Hendrix's face with wine. The reason she did that was because other people noticed the wine and brought it to Lawrence's attention. But I'll take Bannister's corroboration myself since it's real and matches everything else known about the scene. ``` > [@Jackmannii](#): > > We’re supposed to believe the Hendrix-urp isn’t important because the wine was “deeper” in the body, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean, according to Bannister the Master Resuscitator Of The Dead with his Magical 18-Inch Tube. ``` I thought it was more than clear. The wine couldn't be in the pure state Bannister witnessed unless it was only in the body for a short period. Any other alternative would involve either a registration of the wine in the blood alcohol content or the mixing of the wine with the stomach contents. I guess you need this explained to you slowly. The wine can't be pure and be behind the vomit. It had to come out first, not last. The rice meal was well before any wine would have been drunk at the flat. It's all explained fairly clearly. I don't see why you're having trouble understanding it? The wine in the stomach and lungs conforms to the wine being used to drown Hendrix and the vomit emerging as Hendrix drowned. If Hendrix was killed this way this is exactly what you would see. Vomit ejected forcefully while large amounts of wine flooded the lungs and stomach. This is exactly what Bannister came forward to tell. The reason he did so was because he understood what he had witnessed as a doctor. ``` > [@Jackmannii](#): > > There are things the body may do as a “reaction to death” (which I’ll omit mentioning to prevent this thread from getting any more nauseating than it already is) but tossing your cookies is not one of them. If this were true, we’d have to reshoot tons of movies. What would it do to murder mystery films if we had to watch the victims barfing all over the place? Or war movies? You don’t want to think about it. Newsflash, Dr. Bannister - the only way that could have occurred is if Hendrix was still alive :eek: or, more likely, if you and the Keystone Medical Staff were suctioning out fluid from his stomach all along. ``` You destroy your own credibility. It has been stated that vomiting is a common occurrence in drowning victims. You should be more careful with your gratuitous naysaying. It can blow-up on you sometimes. You simply don't know what you're talking about. If this is what Marley called numerous members showing how ridiculous what you wrote is I think he should reconsider. If anything it shows how irrefutable the obvious evidence is. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/300 "2010-02-24T06:54:24Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > You’re not paying attention. The wine was witnessed by the attendants. I’ll find the quote - they’re scattered around. Yep, there are lots of things you were going to find, like the autopsy report. We’ll add this to the list. > [@](#): > > You destroy your own credibility. It has been stated that vomiting is a common occurrence in drowning victims. You should be more careful with your gratuitous naysaying. What you said was: > [@Jetblast](#): > > The vomit then followed as a bodily reaction to death. And that’s bull. The body’s sphincters may well _relax_ at the moment of death. It would be, shall we say, bizarre for a corpse to heave. Urping requires coordinated and prolonged muscle contraction, not muscle relaxation. I realize you’re trying to avoid any implication that the official cause of death was accurate (choking on vomit). But instead you’ve provided supporting evidence for that event. Oops. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578.md?page=16)