# Jimi Hendrix Was Murdered **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 19, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578 "2010-01-19T17:22:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/401 "2010-03-05T15:43:21Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > The people who did this would really need for there to be no follow-through investigation. …And the surest way of ensuring there will be no follow-through investigation is to kill 67 people in a plane crash. Makes perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/402 "2010-03-05T19:40:51Z")
> [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > So there _was_ litigation about Hendrix’s assets? Even though you claimed to have demonstrated that no-one would have any interest in, or capacity to, conduct such litigation? Who was pursuing it? In the pleadings, were there allegations of theft? Who won? Was Jeffrey a party to the litigation or only a witness? ``` Jeffery HAD to go to court over Jimi's property because he was the legal arbiter by contract as his manager. As far as I know he wasn't being brought to court to discuss his financial record-keeping but to arrange the contracted ownership on Hendrix's large remaining musical sales. Hendrix left millions of dollars of recordings behind with no will and Jeffery was still his legal manager. I believe his estate is now valued at $400 million dollars and is the second highest posthumous grossing musician's estate behind Elvis Presley. And this is 40 years after his death with only 4 years of active recording. ``` > [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > And how does MI5 (a British organisation) persuade the French military air controllers to murder 150 people? They don’t have a dog in the fight. ``` I doubt it would be MI5. In fact I doubt MI5 would have anything to do with any covert assassination of Hendrix. Hendrix was well-loved in Britain and Britain gave him his explosive start where America only served to promise impoverishment and a $1 slave contract for the world's most dynamic electric guitarist. Hendrix's FBI file was a strictly American issue dealing with civil political problems. Hendrix's anti-Viet Nam War stance was also a strictly American issue in a conflict Britain stayed clear of. They had no political iron in the fire over Hendrix and his music only stood to help the British economy. Britain's view of Hendrix correctly fit the non-threat he was and treated him appropriately. The reason I originally dismissed conspiracy in Jeffery's death was because there was no way to assure the planes would strike each other even if diabolically directed towards each other. But the pattern of murder I've shown requires that it now be considered. Jeffery's plane crash could have been an accident but its convenience, and the fact no one would question an airline crash where Jeffery's death was mixed-in, makes it suspicious. This is the least of the suspicious occurrences I question. ``` > [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > Now, the CIA, MI5 and the French military wanted Hendrix dead, and were prepared to kill hundreds of innocent people to do it. The entire Western security apparatus were now essentially In On It. Geez, with this level of animosity, I’m surprised the Russians didn’t rescue him, just on general principles. ``` I recommend some reading on CIA infiltration of post-WWII European intelligence during the cold war where the Soviets could pour across the Iron Curtain at any moment. CIA was in a covert relationship in France against communist threats and the covert infrastructure was there. ``` > [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > What on earth had Hendrix done (that was not done by huge numbers of other rock stars) to warrant this level of ridiculous overkill? Shag Pat Nixon? ``` As much as Constantine gets ridiculed just at the mention of his name, he is correct that Hendrix had an FBI file. Unbelievably he was on FBI's "Security Index" which is a pretty high level of suggested threat for a rock guitarist. Hoover didn't like blacks, as is documented. Because Hendrix was such a powerful rock figure he got pulled into the 60's political movement as a symbol whether he wanted to or not. The "Security Index" is a fairly serious listing. It means FBI would have rounded its members up into illegal concentration camps had a domestic conflict broken-out. Lee Harvey Oswald defected to Russia and publicly offered them Marine radar secrets and was *not* on the Index. I suggest you read the CIA/FBI descriptions of their own COINTELPRO programs and their purposes. Especially CIA operations UNDERWORLD and CHAOS. They had an ongoing plan to disrupt what they called the "new left" in America. I assume persons on their most serious index's would be the first targets. ``` > [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > And how does Jeffrey merely wanting to steal money fit with this? How does he get killed when it was his plot to begin with? ``` Your guess is as good as mine as long as we are denied an investigation. This could have been just Jeffery killing Hendrix for personal and money reasons and his MI5 background could have just been a coincidence. But the authorities' unwillingness to investigate even this draws suspicion on the other more sinister possibilities. Michael Collins Piper says no one could kill a person of interest to the mafia without their consent. If Jeffery killed Hendrix because of mob debts he would have had to get their permission because if Hendrix was somehow viewed by the mob as someone they preferred to be alive and Jeffery killed him Jeffery would be a dead man. But Piper also said part of the CIA connection to the mob was that the mob did some of their political dirty work for them. So it leaves open the possibility that the whole mob debt compromise involving Hendrix was part of this CIA disruption (Operation CHAOS) that was meant to control and eventually destroy Hendrix. Before you ridicule this too quickly I suggest reading some background on it. It was an ongoing program during the tumultuous Viet Nam War period. So I guess a possible motive to kill Jeffery would be the extremely politically expensive cost of evidence coming out that CIA was involved in killing America's most popular rock guitarist. Unfortunately, if that were true the pattern that would follow would be an unexplainable lack of investigation despite the obvious evidence. We have such a pattern here. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/403 "2010-03-05T19:48:41Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > But the pattern of murder I’ve shown requires that it now be considered. This isn’t a pattern, it’s connect the dots using grains of sand at the beach. > [@](#): > > Jeffery’s plane crash could have been an accident but its convenience For whom was it convenient? He lived for two and a half years after Hendrix died. If there was going to be an investigation it could have been started and finished by then. > [@](#): > > Your guess is as good as mine as long as we are denied an investigation. This thread proves that everyone else’s guess is _much_ better than yours. > [@](#): > > But the authorities’ unwillingness to investigate even this draws suspicion on the other more sinister possibilities. The way you whirl from one conspiracy to another is one good reason not to conduct any kind of new investigation. Like I said several pages ago, you started with one conspiracy that you couldn’t prove, then explained it with another conspiracy you also didn’t prove. We’ve now repeated that pattern a few more times. Adding the plane crash makes it even crazier. > [@](#): > > So it leaves open the possibility that the whole mob debt compromise involving Hendrix was part of this CIA disruption (Operation CHAOS) that was meant to control and eventually destroy Hendrix. Was Eric Burdon in the mafia? ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/404 "2010-03-05T19:50:16Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > …And the surest way of ensuring there will be no follow-through investigation is to kill 67 people in a plane crash. Makes perfect sense. ``` Who would question a plane crash with a reasonable explanation of inexperienced military controllers suddenly taking over commercial airline traffic they weren't familiar with as the cause? I suggest you look up the Midway Airport crash of United Airlines Flight 553 containing Watergate burglar E Howard Hunt's wife and her briefcase of cash. ``` > [@](#): > > [Everything2.com](http://Everything2.com): United Airlines Flight 533 from Washington to Chicago crashed a few miles short of Chicago’s Midway Airport on December 8, 1972, killing two people on the ground and 43 of the 61 people on the plane. Among those killed was Dorothy Hunt, the wife of CIA agent/Watergate plumber/accused Kennedy assassin E. Howard Hunt. Within days of the crash (conspiracy theories took longer to form back then), Chicago activist Sherman Skolnick began claiming that the plane had been sabotaged in order to kill Mrs. Hunt. Why? According to Skolnick, Dorothy Hunt had allegedly received some of the million dollars that Richard Nixon had allegedly promised E. Howard Hunt to keep quiet about his alleged role in the Kennedy assassination – and it was feared that Mrs. Hunt might be willing to spill the beans about what she had learned from her husband. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/405 "2010-03-05T19:51:40Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > Who would question a plane crash with a reasonable explanation of inexperienced military controllers suddenly taking over commercial airline traffic they weren’t familiar with as the cause? But why stage a plane crash when you’re perfectly capable of faking a suicide using sleeping pills and a truckful of wine forcibly poured down his throat? ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/406 "2010-03-05T20:03:57Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Just to ask the obvious: Assuming this unsourced tale is true, how is Jeffery making money by reporting $50,000 payments to band members as $10,000? I can easily see it as rip-off had it gone the other way: pay the band members $10K, tell Jimi you paid them $50K, pocket the difference. But as described, it sounds more like extremely sloppy record keeping or a dubious tax dodge than Jeffery ripping off Hendrix. ``` It's more than unsourced. It's an event witnessed by friends at the time and confirmed by Hendrix's preparations to take Jeffery to court over it just prior to his death. It's not questioned amongst those in the know. No, you misunderstand. Jeffery was often paid in cash from concert receipts. He would receive $50,000 dollars in cash and tell the band the gig netted $10,000. Some friends knew how badly Jeffery was ripping Jimi off so they snuck into his office and stole his ledger and brought it to Hendrix. Hendrix was then interested in changing managers and died soon after. Noel questions the proceeds and is out shortly after. Jimi questions the proceeds and is dead shortly after. The public questions the Inquest and is denied shortly after. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/407 "2010-03-05T20:06:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > But why stage a plane crash when you’re perfectly capable of faking a suicide using sleeping pills and a truckful of wine forcibly poured down his throat? ``` Marley - Mightn't using the same method twice be poor form? Might it draw suspicion, perhaps? ``` ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/408 "2010-03-05T20:07:10Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > Noel questions the proceeds and is out shortly after. Are you so uninformed about Hendrix’s music that you think Redding was fired by Michael Jeffery? He never got along with Hendrix at all. He famously walked out of the sessions for All Along the Watchtower, which left Hendrix to play bass on the song. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/409 "2010-03-05T20:08:53Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > Marley - Mightn’t using the same method twice be poor form? > Might it draw suspicion, perhaps? I see you believe there are no ways to kill people except plane crashes and wine drownings. They couldn’t have faked a burglary at his house or a robbery on the street? Or faked any kind of accident in his home? Or a car crash? They had to crash two planes together to get this one person- and they waited two and a half years to “shut him up?” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/410 "2010-03-05T20:21:42Z")
A few quick cites on Hendrix’s working relationship with Noel Redding. I think this is known to most people who are familiar with the man’s music rather than his role as the centerpiece of an imaginary game of Clue. From the Wikipedia entry on [Electric Ladyland](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Ladyland). > [@](#): > > During the recording of the album Hendrix fell out with producer Chas Chandler and bassist Noel Redding. [From the entry on Mr. Boddy, I mean, Hendrix.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix) > [@](#): > > Chandler also expressed exasperation at the number of times Hendrix would insist on re-recording particular tracks; the song “Gypsy Eyes” was reportedly recorded 43 times. This was also frustrating for bassist Noel Redding, who would often leave the studio to calm himself, only to return and find that Hendrix had recorded the bass parts himself during Redding’s absence. […] Noel Redding felt increasingly frustrated by the fact that he was not playing his original and favored instrument, the guitar. In 1968, he decided to form his own band Fat Mattress, which would sometimes open for the Experience (Hendrix would jokingly refer to them as “Thin Pillow”). Redding and Hendrix would begin seeing less and less of each other, which also had an effect in the studio, with Hendrix playing many of the bass parts on Electric Ladyland. [The recording of All Along the Watchtower started in January 1968.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Along_the_Watchtower#The_Jimi_Hendrix_Experience) > [@](#): > > Halfway through the session, bass player Noel Redding became dissatisfied with the proceedings and left. Mason then took over on bass. According to Kramer, the final bass part was played by Hendrix himself. [Voodoo Chile was recorded in May 1968.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_Chile) > [@](#): > > the recording session included Mitch Mitchell, drummer of The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Steve Winwood of Traffic on B3 organ, and Jack Casady of Jefferson Airplane on bass duties. […] Noel Redding was not present as he had stormed out of the Record Plant studio earlier that evening. ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/411 "2010-03-05T20:50:13Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > A few quick cites on Hendrix’s working relationship with Noel Redding. I think this is known to most people who are familiar with the man’s music rather than his role as the centerpiece of an imaginary game of Clue. ``` All you've shown in your reference is Hendrix tolerated his philosophical differences with Redding from their studio tiff in January 1968 until the break-up of the Experience in Denver on June 29th 1969. A full year and a half. Redding's exit came right after he questioned Jeffery's handling of their money. There was no similar identifiable tolerance period for that. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/412 "2010-03-05T21:34:20Z")
Sponsored Google ad: _“Panic Attacks in Women Your anxiety may be hormonal. Take our online assessment to find out.”_ Is this a planted ad, or coincidence? Did Monika Danneman have a raging hormonal imbalance caused by MI5 substituting a ringer for her birth control pills? Was PMS responsible for Hendrix’s death (maybe Hendrix ODd on wine and pills in an effort to tune out Monika’s nagging)? Another theory needs full consideration. We have already seen how one of the ambulance attendants described his vehicle as a Crazy Wadham. Where did this name come from? I suggest that the inspiration for this lies behind the Soviet-era sub maneuver known as a “Crazy Ivan”. You may remember that in the film “The Hunt for Red October” an American sub is tracking the wayward Soviet sub, which does a sudden, unexpected 180-degree turn known as a “Crazy Ivan”. Could it be that 1970s London ambulances were also prone to sudden maneuvers on the whim of their drivers, perhaps deciding at the last minute to turn around and head for a bar? One can imagine pedestrians of the era warily eyeing ambulances and then, at the first sight of an unexpected U-turn calling out “Crazy Wadhams!!” to warn others of the danger. Might Hendrix have been making a nighttime visit to his car (to obtain more Vesperax and write messages in the dew) and been run down by a Crazy Wadham? If the attendants hid his body and later smuggled it back into the apartment, that would explain both the advanced decomposition and the piles of dense vomit (as **Jetblast** has explained, corpses vomit as a reaction to death). Or even more sinisterly, could the KGB have infiltrated the London ambulance corps and employed their sub tactics on the street to kill Hendrix and then frame MI5 for the death, thus turning young people against the British government and furthering the aims of their cold war? Then again the KGB was experimenting with ricin to covertly murder enemies - did the Hendrix post-mortem test for that? I think not. It just gets deeper and darker the more you probe into the murk. :eek:😕:eek:😕☹ ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/413 "2010-03-05T21:49:10Z")
I’m thinking about Mama Cass. She married Jim Hendricks in 1963 and they divorced in 1968. Coincidence or something more sisister. She choked on a ham sandwich in much the same way that Jimi choked on a CIA exploding cigar. Coincidence? I don’t think so. Four years later, Keith Moon died in the same house as Ms. Cass. Cause of death was allegedly a drugs overdose. This was done on the flimsiest of evidence: massive amounts of drugs in his bloodstream and stomach. Obviously it was a nefarious plot by MI5 and/or Jeffery (he faked being on the CIA sponsored plane crash, natch). Anyone else we can bring into lala ladyland? ---
**Author:** ![Noel\_Prosequi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b19c9b/32.png) [@Noel\_Prosequi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noel_Prosequi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2010, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/414 "2010-03-06T03:36:58Z")
> [@](#): > > I doubt it would be MI5. In fact I doubt MI5 would have anything to do with any covert assassination of Hendrix. **jetblast** , WTF?!?!?!? Then why have you subjected us to pages of crap about how Jeffrey was in MI5, if it is completely irrelevant? And if it _is_ irrelevant, what does Jeffrey have to do with it at all? Why do you need to rope him in? And before you say “to explain Danneman”, if the CIA want to whack Hendrix, why not whack them both and make it look like a lovers’ murder/suicide? Far fewer loose ends. Your theories are all after-the-fact inventions. They would have made no sense to the people carrying out any killing at the time. That you cannot see that your incoherent theory is merely snatching at random leaves in the breeze is fascinating. I repeat my question; what do you bring to this such that we should accept your assertions about any of this? About what is unquestioned by “those in the know”. “Those in the know” is just code for conspiracy cranks like you. About “the pattern” and “the fingerprint” of CIA murders? THERE IS NO PATTERN unless you can point to _another_ rock star who was murdered by being drowned in wine by CIA/MI5/thieving agents and whose murder was followed up with the plane crash murder of 150 people. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/415 "2010-03-06T13:43:46Z")
I was so hoping to find out that the plane crash that klled whoeverthefuck was TWA 800. Then we’d be a step closer to a Grand Unified Field Theory. “And the wind whispered ‘Whackjob’ …” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/416 "2010-03-06T20:07:00Z")
> [@Jetblast](#): > > All you’ve shown in your reference is Hendrix tolerated his philosophical differences with Redding from their studio tiff in January 1968 until the break-up of the Experience in Denver on June 29th 1969. A full year and a half. Redding’s exit came right after he questioned Jeffery’s handling of their money. There was no similar identifiable tolerance period for that. [From the same cite:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix#Breakup_of_Jimi_Hendrix_Experience) > [@](#): > > The last Experience concert took place on June 29, 1969 at Barry Fey’s Denver Pop Festival, a three-day event held at Denver’s Mile High Stadium that was marked by police firing tear gas into the audience as they played “Voodoo Child (Slight Return)”. The band escaped from the venue in the back of a rental truck which was partly crushed by fans trying to escape the tear gas. The next day, Noel Redding announced that he had quit the Experience. Was Michael Jeffery firing tear gas from the grassy knoll? ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/417 "2010-03-07T16:09:36Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Was Michael Jeffery firing tear gas from the grassy knoll? ``` But dear Marley, you failed to answer my point that Hendrix tolerated his personal differences with Redding for 18 months, but Jeffery didn't tolerate Redding's inquiries into his financial doings for a moment. Or did you? I believe we've established a tendency in Jeffery to act quickly when threatened financially. We'll just overlook his own claims to have killed while in the MI5 and others saying he did arson insurance scams. I'm not sure saying "you haven't shown anything" over and over really disproves this. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/418 "2010-03-07T16:23:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Janis Joplin has a lot of conspiracy theories too. I’m coming to the conclusion that if you become famous, you never die naturally, but are always murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Jetblast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@Jetblast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jetblast)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/419 "2010-03-07T16:56:40Z")
> [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > Then why have you subjected us to pages of crap about how Jeffrey was in MI5, if it is completely irrelevant? ``` Well maybe not *completely* irrelevant. If you were following the information you would understand Jeffery was involved with the dirty business from the American side. Hendrix was kidnapped in New York by Jeffery's mobsters. The COINTELPRO/CHAOS operations were an American thing and one Jeffery could have come in contact with through his American mob connections (Or worse. MI5 membership would almost dovetail with CIA accessibility). MI5 would be relevant in that Jeffery learned his black ops knowledge through them. If the Inquest deliberately ignored signs of foul play it could be because they wanted to avoid any possible MI5 connection to this. Or possibly even CIA. Another thing that should be considered is Jeffery's alleged claim that he went and got some "old London colleagues" to murder Hendrix. Since Jeffery was MI5 it has to be at least considered whether those old colleagues were some old MI5 associates whose adeptness at this sort of thing might be handy. Or perhaps they were some old arson job London thugs? Although some of Jeffery's story might not be true, some of it may. ``` > [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > And before you say “to explain Danneman”, if the CIA want to whack Hendrix, why not whack them both and make it look like a lovers’ murder/suicide? Far fewer loose ends. Your theories are all after-the-fact inventions. They would have made no sense to the people carrying out any killing at the time. ``` We really don't know to what degree Jeffery operated in favor of intel interests? There's no doubt from Hendrix's FBI file that if something happened to him the FBI would not be too upset. It could be Jeffery operated strictly from the perspective of saving himself from being exposed in court as ripping-off Hendrix. Not only would Jeffery have lost his contract with Hendrix but he might have suffered legal consequences including jail. One might also consider that Hendrix had too much of an interface with CIA/mob bank accounts that any forcing of legal inquiry into Jeffery's financial doings might force some daylight into banking practices involving highly active CIA offshore accounts and their use. So it could be, my dear fellow, that Hendrix threatened much more than just the well being of his crooked manager. By the way, I must have missed your reply as to why, exactly, Dannemann would tell the Dutch radio host that Hendrix was murdered by the mob? Or why no one in any official capacity asked her to elaborate on this? ``` > [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > That you cannot see that your incoherent theory is merely snatching at random leaves in the breeze is fascinating. ``` Random breezes that should be easy, then, to disprove in a formal court. Quickly dispatched as folly. Not something to hang-up all involved authorities in self-indicting denial and silence. ``` > [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > I repeat my question; what do you bring to this such that we should accept your assertions about any of this? About what is unquestioned by “those in the know”. “Those in the know” is just code for conspiracy cranks like you. About “the pattern” and “the fingerprint” of CIA murders? THERE IS NO PATTERN unless you can point to _another_ rock star who was murdered by being drowned in wine by CIA/MI5/thieving agents and whose murder was followed up with the plane crash murder of 150 people. ``` I guess my first answer to that would be I bring that which you've conspicuously evaded for many pages now. Second, it is a logical violation to say we must show a second intel murder by wine to prove our claim. I've read elsewhere that drowning in liquor was a common army murder method. Some say Brian Jones was drowned by a man who admitted it on his death bed and was part of a strange team of workers at his house noted by others at the time. So you extend yourself the privilege of mocking this in front of these things. I'll leave it to others to judge how that reflects on your input. Doctor Bannister witnessed wine in such a way as to make him think Hendrix was drowned in wine instead of choking to death from vomit. He also suctioned enough wine from Hendrix's lungs to make him believe it created a fatal conflict with the blood alcohol level on a medical basis. Jimi Hendrix was murdered by a common army method of drowning in alcoholic drink (something that could be learned from MI5 black ops training). It has been covered-up by all involved authorities to this day. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578/420 "2010-03-07T17:40:55Z")
Seeing as we are well into the ninth page of the Hendrix Wine Murder Conspiracy, recapitulating for those possibly confused individuals attempting to follow along without scorecards, we now have developed overwhelming evidence for: the sinister-MI5-CIA-mob-thug-old-London-colleagues-running-roughshod-through-the-message-in-the-dew-Jeffery’s-stolen-loaves-limited-hangout-insurance-scam-fabricating-onus discharging-hysterical-wine-soaked-groupie-girlfriend-without-a-flat-cleaning-reason-cornered-by-cohorts-Eric Burdon-at-dawn-common sense-Third Reich-Black Bomber-Brian-Jones-COINTELPRO-CHAOS-we-are-not-idiots-Tappy-Wright-touring-speaking-show-offshore-accounts-18-inch tube/metal sucker-fountains-o’-pure-wine-gushing-from-the-windpipe-intel-sword-cuts-both-ways-casinos-in-the-Caribbean-literary roadie-old-arson-job-London-thugs-barbiturate-polluting-common sense-crazy Wadhams-perfidious-nature-Satanistic-retarded-$50-thousand-dollar-payment-spook corps-Intel-fingerprinted-Iberia Airlines-crash-clumsy-bungles-digestion-noble gas fart-exploding-extreme evacuation-process-in-the-Resuscitation Room-3.9 mg-percent-5 mg-per-100 ml-profuse-dense-vomit-dodgy-deposits-event-how-dare-you-undeniable-ballpark-of-bullseye-firm-very-dangerous-criminal forensic-ouija-board-prosecution-of murder theory. More additions to the theory only strengthen it, like when you pile up loose boards, assorted incompatible hardware and refuse and wind up with the Empire State Building. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered/525578.md?page=22)