# Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 17, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209 "2016-11-17T00:34:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Magicicada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c67d28/32.png) [@Magicicada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magicicada)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/21 "2016-11-20T07:52:20Z")
I always liked the bit in Stephen King’s The Dead Zone where Johnny meets a pre-presidential Jimmy Carter, shakes his hand, and starts blurting out these random pieces of information. The fictional Jimmy Carter reacted much as I would imagine the real one would, with a sort of friendly, puzzled curiosity. Ah, Johnny, where are you when we need you? ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Smythe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f04885/32.png) [@Jane\_Smythe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Smythe)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/22 "2016-11-20T12:06:05Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I wonder if the Carter family can bar Trump from his state funeral. The one thing Trump definitely doesn’t have is class. Carter and his wife have an abundance of it. They won’t bar Trump from the funeral, if there is one. They are too classy. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/23 "2016-11-20T15:37:57Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Is **Little Nemo** done here? He has posted elsewhere several times. It seems my reply shut him up. At least for now. Sorry. I didn’t realize you were waiting for a response. Yes, you do have cites so I give you credit for that. I would question whether they’re giving the complete picture. For example, you quoted this passage: > [@](#): > > The first lady’s temper was reportedly “notoriously short” during the media frenzy that followed the press rumors of the Lewinsky affair. > > A former storeroom manager told Brower that the affair fallout “was just so overwhelming for her and if you said something to her she’d snap.” But here’s a slightly longer excerpt: > [@](#): > > The first lady’s temper was reportedly “notoriously short” during the media frenzy that followed the press rumors of the Lewinsky affair. > > A former storeroom manager told Brower that the affair fallout “was just so overwhelming for her and if you said something to her she’d snap.” But he said he was sympathetic toward her and that he would love to work for her again. This is a small example of how the overall direction of an article can be changed by picking out which things are reported and which things are left out. So the things that were mentioned in the articles you cited would indicate that Clinton has a bad temper - if they are in fact typical of her behavior. If, on the other hand, they’re reporting the only ten times she lost her temper over a period of eight years, they’re not giving a true picture. I’ll admit that twenty-five years of seeing claims about Hillary Clinton being exaggerated in order to make her look bad has left me skeptical about new stories. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/24 "2016-11-20T16:51:33Z")
In any case Hillary’s not “southern” at all except by marriage. Miz Rosalyn, OTOH, probably can issue a _“Why, bless your heart, dear”_ that leaves you picking pieces of your face off the floor. > [@Jane\_Smythe](#): > > The one thing Trump definitely doesn’t have is class. Carter and his wife have an abundance of it. They won’t bar Trump from the funeral, if there is one. They are too classy. Though they may leave instructions to have all the clergy at the funeral services focus on scripture teachings about love, justice, compassion, modesty, etc. In any case, Mr. Carter’s near indestructibility will run out at some point, as is to be for all flesh, but he’s had a good run as he has said himself. And he’ll leave us wondering how many of our would-be leaders of recent and near-future memory we could imagine walking into a live nuclear reactor to shut it down. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/25 "2016-11-20T16:59:19Z")
[QUOTE=Bullitt] …Jimmy Carter, a true gentleman [/QUOTE] > [@Jane Smythe](#): > > The one thing Trump definitely doesn’t have is class. Carter and his wife have an abundance of it. _“President Jimmy Carter spoke for millions when he said on Nov. 5, 1980: ‘The election of Ronald Reagan is a disaster for the country because he’s a fascist. He’s a dangerous person.’”_\* [https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/14/liberals-get-hyperbolic-every-time-a-republican-is-elected/?utm\_term=.d51d5bd55c78](https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/14/liberals-get-hyperbolic-every-time-a-republican-is-elected/?utm_term=.d51d5bd55c78) \*noting that I can’t find a source for this quote outside of the Washington Post column. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/26 "2016-11-20T21:01:27Z")
You could at least quote that column from the Washington Post correctly. The full paragraph reads as follows. Bolding added by me. “The election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 was greeted on the left with no less pain and fear. Like Nixon, Reagan ran as a Cold Warrior, which also meant running against the elites who were seen as too soft — on dangers abroad and on crime, lawlessness and moral decay at home. **One Cornell activist and supporter of incumbent Democrat Jimmy Carter spoke for millions when he said Nov. 5, 1980: ‘The election of Ronald Reagan is a disaster for the country because he’s a fascist. He’s a dangerous person.’** I can vividly remember my high school history teacher walking dazed through the corridors convinced that the end of the republic was at hand, a phrase he muttered throughout the coming days in dead seriousness.” You selectively quoted the article to attribute that statement to Jimmy Carter. Not good. Edited to add, your misquoting is actually worse than that, since you added “President” in front of Jimmy Carter’s name. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/27 "2016-11-20T21:14:03Z")
Good grief, **Jackmannii** , that’s, that’s … Why would you make a post like that? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/28 "2016-11-21T00:05:36Z")
Sorry, read the article in my local newspaper before the coffee kicked in and missed the first part (the quote as I first listed it was a separate paragraph in the newspaper, and began with the phrase “President Jimmy Carter”). Note however that I said I had not been able to find the quote elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/29 "2016-11-21T01:50:21Z")
And you _could not resist_? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/30 "2016-11-21T01:53:43Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > It just hit me that Jimmy Carter is alive. I mean, I knew he was. But it just hit me that he’s alive, has lived to see Trump elected president. > > And Donald may be the last president Carter ever sees. From what I remember, part of Carter’s appeal during the election was that (coming right after Watergate) he was a Washington outsider. He’s a very good man, but he wasn’t a very good president. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/31 "2016-11-21T08:57:48Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Sorry, read the article in my local newspaper before the coffee kicked in and missed the first part (the quote as I first listed it was a separate paragraph in the newspaper, and began with the phrase “President Jimmy Carter”). > > Note however that I said I had not been able to find the quote elsewhere. Cite? What’s the name of your local newspaper?? And when you Googled to find it in Washington Post you couldn’t be bothered to read your own cite??? I’m reminded of the Macedonian village (did I read about it here at SDMB?) where everyone supported themselves for a few months by posting lies about Hillary on Facebook! They were NOT paid by Putin or Trump to do this; they just somehow discovered that lies about Hillary “sold like hotcakes” on Facebook and that they could get lots of ad revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/32 "2016-11-21T11:25:52Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Sorry. I didn’t realize you were waiting for a response. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/33 "2016-11-21T11:47:34Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > 🙂 > > At least Rosalynn Carter, a Southern Lady, was kind. I expect Melania Trump to be kind. But HRC, another Southern Lady, as a First Lady and as a candidate was very much a bitch who denigrated staff and the help. Thank goodness she isn’t in the White House. > > **And I am confident Jimmy Carter, a true gentleman, has had similar thoughts.** Bolding mine. I challenge this. While not a ringing no-holds-barred endorsement, he [did indicate he was supporting Hillary.](http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/23/jimmy-carter-says-hes-backing-a-quite-unpopular-hillary-clinton/) You got anything that says otherwise? Do you honestly believe Jimmy Carter, a paragon of decency, would rather have Donnie Pussy-Grabber Trump in the White House? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/34 "2016-11-21T12:48:10Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > In any case Hillary’s not “southern” at all except by marriage. Not even the south side of Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/35 "2016-11-21T13:08:29Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > He’s a very good man, but he wasn’t a very good president. He was an excellent President. Unfortunately, the Reaganites did a really successful propaganda campaign against him which all too many people believe. Conversely, all too many people think of Reagan as a good President when his Presidency was a disaster. This leads to odd encounters between US citizens and people from other nations who weren’t subjected to the propaganda. Remember, Carter never gave a “malaise” speech. In fact, that speech was the opposite of who people “remember” it. It was a let’s buck up and do good stuff speech. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209/36 "2016-11-21T13:59:57Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > He was an excellent President. Unfortunately, the Reaganites did a really successful propaganda campaign against him which all too many people believe. Conversely, all too many people think of Reagan as a good President when his Presidency was a disaster. > > This leads to odd encounters between US citizens and people from other nations who weren’t subjected to the propaganda. > > Remember, Carter never gave a “malaise” speech. In fact, that speech was the opposite of who people “remember” it. It was a let’s buck up and do good stuff speech. This is not a criticism of anyone but I will mention that if this thread heads further down the road into a political debate I will have to move it. That is not how the thread started. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter-and-donald-trump/772209.md?page=1)