# Jimmy Carter **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748 "2015-08-13T15:39:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/61 "2015-08-17T18:03:31Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > However, since we can’t draft people into the presidency, we’re stuck with trying to determine which particular shitstain is the lease objectionable choice. We \*can \*cut back on the hostility toward whoever has the temerity to run for office, and maybe we’ll have more decent people offering themselves as public servants. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/62 "2015-08-17T18:55:46Z")
Damn, there goes another irony meter. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/63 "2015-08-17T21:09:24Z")
“Irony” and “Regards” in the same post, with no sense of … You can only dream of being the man Jimmy Carter has been. Same for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/64 "2015-08-19T18:09:18Z")
News conference scheduled for tomorrow. Apparently he will be speaking directly rather than just issuing a press release. I am not surprised. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/65 "2015-08-19T18:27:24Z")
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.;18598960 people only remember that the mission failed, and blamed Carter for the collision that caused it to fail. [/QUOTE] I suppose blaming Carter for that is the same logic that causes people to give credit to Obama for “getting bin Ladin” instead of the US Armed Forces and some intelligence folks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/66 "2015-08-19T22:08:44Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Complete nonsense. It was an inherited recession, and not even close to being a ‘severe depression’. The closest we’ve come to a fourth depression in this country occurred during the tenure of GWB, spilling over with gusto into the present administration. It will likely be viewed as the worst recession in this country’s history. Do you remember mile long gas lines? My grandfather passed away in 1977-it took 3 years to find a buyer for his house. Meanwhile, businesses were closing left and right. Then Carter foolishly allows the deposed Shah to enter the USA-which touched off the embassy occupation (and later kidnapping of the embassy staff). Carter allowed the IRanian criminals to hold American citizens illegally, while apologizing for the shah. had he shown some measure of fortitude, this would not have happened. Sorry, but this was not an appropriate response to state sponsored terrorism. Carter thought he could deal with the Iranian criminals, and allowed the Iranians to have publicity for 3 years. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/67 "2015-08-19T23:21:50Z")
The Shah was our guy. Of course Carter let him into the country. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/68 "2015-08-19T23:36:03Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Do you remember mile long gas lines? My grandfather passed away in 1977-it took 3 years to find a buyer for his house. Meanwhile, businesses were closing left and right. Then Carter foolishly allows the deposed Shah to enter the USA-which touched off the embassy occupation (and later kidnapping of the embassy staff). Carter allowed the IRanian criminals to hold American citizens illegally, while apologizing for the shah. had he shown some measure of fortitude, this would not have happened. > Sorry, but this was not an appropriate response to state sponsored terrorism. Carter thought he could deal with the Iranian criminals, and allowed the Iranians to have publicity for 3 years. I’m not sure it’s fair to blame the president for long gas lines or high interest rates (presumably what caused the long delay in finding a buyer for your grandfather’s house) Allowing the deposed Shah to come to NYC for medical treatment seems like a terrible idea in retrospect, but at the time I don’t think the reaction was foreseeable. (some reaction was to be expected, but we had never seen anything quite like the Iranian Revolution) Carter’s handling of the hostage crises sure looks bad, but there weren’t many good options and I admire that he attempted diplomacy. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/69 "2015-08-19T23:42:15Z")
To the extent that Carter’s presidency can be considered a failure, it’s largely to the extent that the American public is childish, short-sighted, and easily deceived by propaganda and appeals to shallow patriotic pride. Carter’s primary mistake was treating the public like adults who make rational and empathetic decisions after considering actual facts. It turned out that people really preferred a cheerleader who appealed to their basest tribal instincts and approached complex issues as if they were sporting events. To the extent that we are ruled by “shitstains,” the reason is that we deserve nothing better. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/70 "2015-08-19T23:57:05Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Carter’s handling of the hostage crises sure looks bad, but there weren’t many good options and I admire that he attempted diplomacy. Hell yes. I’d have launched a nuclear strike from an aircraft carrier, called the Ayatollah up on the phone and told him if the hostages were not freed in thirty minutes, he would not be able to pump oil for fifty years. Thank G-d I was not, nor am not the President. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/71 "2015-08-20T13:30:35Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m not sure it’s fair to blame the president for long gas lines or high interest rates (presumably what caused the long delay in finding a buyer for your grandfather’s house) > > Allowing the deposed Shah to come to NYC for medical treatment seems like a terrible idea in retrospect, but at the time I don’t think the reaction was foreseeable. (some reaction was to be expected, but we had never seen anything quite like the Iranian Revolution) > > Carter’s handling of the hostage crises sure looks bad, but there weren’t many good options and I admire that he attempted diplomacy. That is the main point-a US President cannot be perceived as weak-that merely opens the door for extortion and terrorism. Much as Clinton’s passivity emboldened Osama Ben laden. Had Carter ordered a devastating airstrike, the hostage thing would have been over in a week. Carter thought that the world leaders he was dealing with shared his values (honesty, decency), and forgot that most of them came to power by being gangsters and killers. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/72 "2015-08-20T13:44:16Z")
I think an airstrike would have caused the Iranians to begin beheading hostages. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/73 "2015-08-20T14:40:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think an airstrike would have caused the Iranians to begin beheading hostages. And Carter’s abortive rescue attempt killed a lot of good men. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/74 "2015-08-20T14:43:54Z")
[Breaking news now:](http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/08/20/jimmy-carter-to-discuss-cancer-diagnosis-publicly/http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/08/20/jimmy-carter-to-discuss-cancer-diagnosis-publicly/?intcmp=hpbt1) The cancer has spread to his brain. It’s in “multiple spots.” I guess that seals it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/75 "2015-08-20T14:57:41Z")
Damn. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/76 "2015-08-20T15:02:40Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > I guess that seals it. ☹ He’s getting radiation treatments, certainly after serious thought and prayer. But he can’t be cured of being 90. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/77 "2015-08-20T17:40:33Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > And Carter’s abortive rescue attempt killed a lot of good men. Blaming him is like praising Obama for shooting Bin Laden. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/78 "2015-08-20T22:15:33Z")
I was 12 years old when my 6th grade class had a contest making election posters for Carter or Ford. I had no idea then what Republican or Democrat meant, I just knew that I liked Jimmy Carter. My poster said simply: Jimmy Carter, he’s no Plain man. I won the contest. Good luck with your fight Mr. Carter. Once again, I’ll be rooting for you. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/79 "2015-08-21T14:35:11Z")
I voted for him and have no regrets about that. He’s a good man and I wish him as peaceful an end as possible. I will be sad when he passes. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748/80 "2015-08-21T16:55:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s getting radiation treatments, certainly after serious thought and prayer. But he can’t be cured of being 90. From what people are saying in the other thread, it sounds like the prognosis can’t get much worse. Jimmy Carter most likely won’t live long enough to vote in the next election. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-carter/727748.md?page=3)