# Jimmy Fallon's mustache: not helping. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 30, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-fallons-mustache-not-helping/790207 "2017-06-30T16:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-fallons-mustache-not-helping/790207/21 "2017-07-05T16:02:00Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > Mustaches were worn long before porn existed. While perhaps technically true, some of the earliest drawings and sculptures made by humans (and perhaps even pre-humans) are–basically–porn. So you’re cutting it (or not cutting it, I suppose) pretty close. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-fallons-mustache-not-helping/790207/22 "2017-07-07T06:20:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, society doesn’t work like that and it never has. If you want to defy social rules, you’re free to do so. But society is still going to judge you by its rules. > > You, like everyone else, has to make a fundamental choice in life. You either live within society’s expectations or you live with society’s disapproval. You’re missing option 3, which is to try and change society’s expectations. This usually involves doing your own thing, but also outreach. And it happens quite often–it’s what happens every time something goes from in fashion to out of fashion. Point is, society isn’t fixed, and we are part of society, so we can try to change it. This is true for silly things like what facial hair is fashionable, and bigger things like getting rid of bigotry and stuff. I will point out that my dad wears a mustache because it looks good on him, and he does not face societal disapproval in any significant degree. No one gives him a hard time about it, and no one seems to not like him because of it. And, frankly, he wouldn’t look like my dad without it. I’ve seen the pics. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-fallons-mustache-not-helping/790207/23 "2017-07-07T20:22:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > OK, dad. Can a borrow the car anyway? I’m not suggesting everyone should bow to society’s expectations. Feel free to be a rebel and defy traditions. Let your freak flag fly. But own it. Don’t pretend to be a rebel with empty gestures that nobody cares about. You’re not truly rebelling unless you’re meeting resistance. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-fallons-mustache-not-helping/790207/24 "2017-07-07T20:26:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You’re missing option 3, which is to try and change society’s expectations. This usually involves doing your own thing, but also outreach. And it happens quite often–it’s what happens every time something goes from in fashion to out of fashion. > > Point is, society isn’t fixed, and we are part of society, so we can try to change it. This is true for silly things like what facial hair is fashionable, and bigger things like getting rid of bigotry and stuff. No, that’s not a third option. Changing society’s expectations (or at least making the attempt) is often a part of rebelling. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jimmy-fallons-mustache-not-helping/790207.md?page=1)