# jmullaney -- what's the deal? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 5, 2000, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187 "2000-12-05T22:14:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![jmullaney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@jmullaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmullaney)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/141 "2000-12-07T01:05:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ren \* > It is a loving thing to shun someone. > > One wonders how far it is down the slippery slope from “shunning” to other forms of punishment. Sorry guys. There is no law that says you have to hang out with people you don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/142 "2000-12-07T01:06:02Z")
I asked: > [@](#): > > Are you INCAPABLE of not misrepresenting things? To which JMULLANEY replies: > [@](#): > > So, you are saying you want to have my love child? Yes, that must be it. Translation: Yes, I am. > [@](#): > > “You HAVE said that crime should not be punished by men, no matter how henious the crime.” That is my position. So you ARE an idiot. Well, that clears that up. > [@](#): > > “What do you think should happen to the unrepentant criminal in the here and now, by means available to men?” They should be shunned. Gee, where’s the love in _that_. > [@](#): > > Perhaps the Taoist saying would help to obfuscate and frustrate you further: Perhaps the Taoist saying would help to obfuscate and frustrate you further: those who say do not know, and those who know do not say. Actually, it pretty neatly sums up my problem with you. You spout scripture for any number of ridiculous conclusions, and by so doing prove you don’t really know much about it, either as a holy text or even as a historical text. You are pretty much the poster child for “those who say yet do not know;” the amazing thing is that everybody see this except you. I asked: > [@](#): > > If you realize you have no authority to tell the rest of us how to live, then why the fuck do you do it? To which JMULLANEY answered: > [@](#): > > Once upon a time, there was a woman who was betrothed to a prince. . . . Translation: Yes, I have a congenital birth defect that prevents me from giving a straight answer. Instead, I indulge my delusions of Christic grandeur by posting what I fondly suppose is a parable. Not realizing that I am not the Second Coming of the Messiah, however, I fail to see that while His stories actually made sense and were responsive, mine do not and are not. > [@](#): > > If I’m the swine, then forgiving is bad and vengeance is an act of love. Interesting reasoning. If “A,” then “up”? If X is a value less than 12, then the black dog barks in the moonlight? Listen, forgiveness can be good and vengeance an act of hate and you can _still_ a swine and a fool. And yes, I mean you personally. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/143 "2000-12-07T01:12:17Z")
This is depressing. I went deep-sea fishing for two whole days last summer, and I didn’t catch shit. And this moron is reeling in some of the best members of the board. I’ve gotta change my bait. ---
**Author:** ![jmullaney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@jmullaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmullaney)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/144 "2000-12-07T01:16:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gaudere \* > you also forgot about the line where Jesus tells us to judge righteous judgment. When did he say that? There is a difference between judging a person and judging right from wrong. > [@](#): > > I doubt they were hung up on technicalities and insist that “condemnation” must mean “sentence to prison”. So you think this is just a nonsense word? It does mean something, yes? > [@](#): > > Since he explicitly tells people to judge righteously, I must assume he thinks judging is OK, as long as you do it well. Um, so when he said “do not judge” what he really meant is judging is OK? As long as you have no problem facing God’s judgement, which is what he surely means. Compare the surrounding scriptures of the form “Do not do X, or bad thing Y will happen.” You are twisting the daylights out of this thing to make it mean the opposite of what it means. > [@](#): > > I could forgive a person, and still punish them, because I believe they should face the consequences of their actions. You seem to not understand what the word “forgive” means either. You can’t forgive someone a debt and then expect them to pay. ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/145 "2000-12-07T01:17:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, and do not cast pearls before swine. I might remind: I am not the one who wants to keep people in prison thought they have repented of what they have done. If I’m the swine, then forgiving is bad and vengeance is an act of love. Jmanuallly why do you think I was referring to you with that verse? Do you think you are a fool? I was not talking about you in paticular. How does this quote from the bible have anything to do with your arguement? Casting pearls before swine would mean giving something too good to someone who doesent deserve it. You should not simply forgive people because they have repented. You should forgive people if you want people to forgive you. Repentance does not erase the actions done by the person, the person should be held to his actions. If people arent held to their actions there is no justice. Being just is good, he just warns you to be just or face your own injustice or judge not at all, either is a option. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/146 "2000-12-07T01:18:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, I think “Do not Judge” means “Do not Judge.” . . .I can’t convince you “do not judge” means “do not judge” so I’m an idiot. . . .[BINGO!] . . . Do… not… judge. Ladies and gentlemen, unthinking literalism at it’s best! Let us now turn our attention to Matthew 26 (“While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, ‘Take and eat; this is my body.’”) and John 6:35 (“I am the bread of life.”) from which we can only assume Brother Mullaney thinks Jesus was a loaf of bread. Can I get an Amen? ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/147 "2000-12-07T01:22:53Z")
Amen, sister! ---
**Author:** ![jmullaney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@jmullaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmullaney)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/148 "2000-12-07T01:30:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lemur866 \* > Prov 17:15 Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-- the LORD detests them both. Well, the Lord doesn’t do these things, do He? Who wrote that, Solomon? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > > > [@](#): > > > > So, you are saying you want to have my love child? > > … Yes, I am. So this is all really about your repressed feelings of love for me. I thought so. 😉 > [@](#): > > So you ARE an idiot. God makes the wisdom of the world foolish and the foolish wise. … Er, but wait, then the foolish are the wise, but then they must be the foolish, but then that would mean… Oops, my eyes have gone crossed. > [@](#): > > Gee, where’s the love in _that_. You can’t be everywhere at once. You don’t have to hang out with people you don’t like. Really. You are free to go where ever you want. > [@](#): > > You spout scripture for any number of ridiculous conclusions, and by so doing prove you don’t really know much about it, either as a holy text or even as a historical text. Well, Jesus never studied. You ain’t got to read a book to know what love is. A crucifix’ll keep away vampires, and sometimes the Bible makes for a handy tool as well. But if people don’t believe in Love there ain’t too much you can do for them. > [@](#): > > Instead, I indulge my delusions of Christic grandeur by posting what I fondly suppose is a parable. Well, try a bit of patience and a touch of understanding and I’m sure it will come to you. If you don’t want to understand, I’m not going to help. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > If I’m the swine, then forgiving is bad and vengeance is an act of love. > > … If X is a value less than 12, then the black dog barks in the moonlight? Yes, Jodi, I’m more than aware that doesn’t guarantee I’m not a swine anyway. Try to keep a stiff upper lip. ---
**Author:** ![Cantrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Cantrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cantrip)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/149 "2000-12-07T01:34:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jmullaney \* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Cantrip \* > > All you know is that this sociopath pleaded “Not Guilty”, and that there is overwhelming evidence of his guilt of MULTIPLE, HEINOUS murders. > > Then how do I know he has not repented? You don’t know whether he’s repentant or not. All you know is that[ul][li]you’re on the jury;[_]He’s pled “not guilty”, and [_]the prosecution has provided OVERWHELMING evidence of his guilt.[/ul]What do you, as a juror, do?[/li] And by the way, what is all this about “shunning?” Scott Adams had a strip about everyone “shunning” Dilbert because he was in charge of the budget and was going to ask inane questions about cutting their electricity usage in half. > [@](#): > > Main Entry: shun > Pronunciation: 'sh&n > Function: transitive verb > Inflected Form(s): shunned; shun·ning > Etymology: Middle English shunnen, from Old English scunian > Date: before 12th century > : to avoid deliberately and especially habitually > synonym see ESCAPE > > - shun·ner noun > > Entry Word: shun > Function: verb > Text: Synonyms ESCAPE 2, avoid, bilk, double, duck, elude, eschew, evade, shy > Related Word decline, refuse, reject; snub; despise, disdain, scorn > Idioms have nothing to do with, keep away from, stand aloof from, steer clear of, turn away from, turn one’s back upon > Contrasted Words accept, adopt, welcome (From [Merriam-Webster online](http://www.m-w.com).) Other than total exile on an isolated island (_e.g._, San Quentin), how does “shunning” a serial murderer help in any way? The murderer doesn’t care that no one’s talking to him; in fact, it makes it easier to kill people if everyone’s ignoring him. Although if we all ignored you I think you’d be a tad put off. I’m willing to try, though, for the benefit of science. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/150 "2000-12-07T01:38:02Z")
> [@](#): > > And this moron is reeling in some of the best members of the board. ::digging toe into the sand:: Sorry, Manny. I’m through with him. Promise. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/151 "2000-12-07T01:47:44Z")
> [@](#): > > When did he say that? There is a difference between judging a person and judging right from wrong. Does your mouse not scroll up to where I cited it? Here’s the context, if you like: Jhn 7:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. Jhn 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. Jhn 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. He seems to be saying quite clearly: do not judge by the letter of the law; judge with righteousness, by the spirit of the law. He is referring to _them_ judging his actions wrong, and he does not say “do not judge”, but “judge well”. Neither does Matthew 7:1 mean simply “never judge”, depite your attempt to ignore the context. > [@](#): > > So you think this is just a nonsense word? It does mean something, yes? I don’t think it must mean the precise defintion you wish to assign it. > [@](#): > > Um, so when he said “do not judge” what he really meant is judging is OK? As long as you have no problem facing God’s judgement, which is what he surely means. As you judge, so shall you be judged. Seems pretty clear to me. It does NOT say “if you judge at all, you will have to face judgement more terrible than your own.” > [@](#): > > You can’t forgive someone a debt and then expect them to pay. We’re not talking about forgiving of debts. We’re talking about protecting people from those who wish to harm them, and making sure that those who do harm face the consequences of it, and letting those who are thinking about doing harm know that _they_ will have to face the consequences too. > [@](#): > > You can’t be everywhere at once. You don’t have to hang out with people you don’t like. Really. You are free to go where ever you want. But if you don’t want to be shunned, how can you shun another? **manhattan** : > [@](#): > > And this moron is reeling in some of the best members of the board. I don’t know about you, but I find this entertaining. 😃 I got over getting really upset over the bizarre workings of jmullaney’s arguments a while ago. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/152 "2000-12-07T01:57:29Z")
C’mon, **manhattan**! While **Jodi** ’s got him pinned down over here, he isn’t posting _non sequitur_s and erroneous pseudo-factoids or inventing idiolectic definitions for common words over in **GQ**. You ought to be thanking these folks. (I am starting to worry about **Jodi** , of course. The obvious answer to the OP was that her submitted choices are in no way mutually exclusive.) ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/153 "2000-12-07T02:44:47Z")
Several things: 1. Manny is right (God, I _hate_ that 😉 ). 2. I think the OP has been answered. (Nice pick-up, Tom!) JMULLANEY, you _are_ an idiot, in the sense that you reach conclusions that can only be considered idiotic. Cf. such opinions as (a) monks are agents of Satan because they take vows (i.e., swear); (b) crimes should not be punished because we shouldn’t judge; and (c) no one should earn a living because God says to sell all you have and follow Him. (Sadly, I’m confident this is not an exhaustive list.) You are also a troll, in that your posting style is characterized by a willful mischaracterization of others’ points; a disingenuous asserting that you don’t understand those points; a transparent attempt to deploy red herrings to avoid answering questions; and, when the going gets _really_ tough, selective reading to avoid even _seeing_ the tough questions. 3. Your last post directed at me was devoid of a single sentence in any way deserving or even inviting a response. 4. I’m getting bored. It’s been, what? two days? It’s pretty apparent you’re either incapable of seeing that you’re wrong or incapable of admitting that you’re wrong, but I don’t mind plowing ahead as long as it’s kind of fun. But once it’s not, why bother? So to Coventry with you. I hereby ask my friends and Board compatriots: If I ever again so much as respond to this, ah, person, goose me with a cattle prod and remind me I wasn’t going to play with him anymore. (But do it with Love.) Carry on; I’ll just shut the door quietly on my way out . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/154 "2000-12-07T03:43:54Z")
[_the entire population of the Straight Dope Message Board, all 11,000 of them, rises to its feet and gives **Jodi** a thunderous standing ovation_] Is this the Bible quote **Asmodean** was referring to? > [@](#): > > Prov 12:15 The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice. [the Gray Men pull up in an unmarked delivery van and take Mullaney back to Area 51] ---
**Author:** ![Tymp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Tymp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tymp)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/155 "2000-12-07T04:39:48Z")
. . . and leave his ass in the desert ‘cause the moon men sure don’t want ‘im! ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/156 "2000-12-07T14:00:32Z")
I posted this link in the GD thread as well, but I had to post it here. Check out today’s [Dilbert](http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/). Anyone know what **jmullaney** looks like? ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/157 "2000-12-07T15:22:08Z")
I didn’t want to chime in with something so worthless while things were heated, but now that they seem to be done, I must point out that this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tymp \* > Unless a member of your religious community can offer a statement that you have, at some point in your life, been a monk, I’m going to have to run with the assumption that you actually believed yourself to be a South American monkey. Might be the funniest thing I have seen on the SDMB this year. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/158 "2000-12-07T15:47:57Z")
> [@](#): > > [sup]Posted by tomndebb[/sup] > erroneous pseudo-factoids or inventing idiolectic definitions This is so _Star Trek_. With just a few pages of blather from Kirk, the computer that has been running the alien ant-farm for so long lapses into redundancy and begins belching smoke. Any moment now **jmullaney** ’s going to hook up with some tie-dyed alien chick and the credits’ll start rolling. ---
**Author:** ![jmullaney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@jmullaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmullaney)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/159 "2000-12-07T16:36:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Asmodean \* > Jmanuallly why do you think I was referring to you with that verse? I didn’t think so, **Asmodean** – I should have said “y’all” not “you” – sorry for the confusion. > [@](#): > > Casting pearls before swine would mean giving something too good to someone who doesent deserve it. It _could_ mean that – only I don’t think this verse refered to the realm of things so much as the realm of wisdom. Since we are supposed to “give to those who ask and [not] turn away those who wish to borrow” (and yes, I am an unrepentant thief in this regard) if both verses refered to things they would contradict eachother. > [@](#): > > You should not simply forgive people because they have repented. You should forgive people if you want people to forgive you. You should also forgive people if you want God to forgive you. See, for instance, the Lord’s Prayer. > [@](#): > > Repentance does not erase the actions done by the person, the person should be held to his actions. If people arent held to their actions there is no justice. _But then there would also be no mercy._ Surely you don’t think God would send someone to hell though they are sorry for what they have done, right? > [@](#): > > Being just is good, Justice is good, and so is mercy. > [@](#): > > he just warns you to be just or face your own injustice or judge not at all, either is a option. All have sinned, and all have fallen short of the glory of God. You do not want to be judged. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > Ladies and gentlemen, unthinking literalism at it’s best! … > > Can I get an Amen? So you don’t think when Jesus commanded his followers not to judge, he was kidding, right? How do you feel about “Do not hate”? We already know you feel he was kidding when he said “do not take oaths”! Please provide a more detailed analysis of what commands in the Sermon on the Mount should or should not be ignored by your various semantic tricks. ---
**Author:** ![Ptahlis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a8b319/32.png) [@Ptahlis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ptahlis)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2000, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187/160 "2000-12-07T17:29:29Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by jmullaney \* \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ptahlis \* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by jmullaney \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > Well, apparently I _am_ stupid. Please provide an example so I can learn from my mistakes. > > > \*\* > > > > I believe I indicated previously that I consider arguing with you not worth the effort. > > Well, that is rather telling. You falsely accuse me and then weasel when asked to back it up. LOL! > > Ain’t modern technology grand? \*\* Since this thread seems to be dying its well deserved death, I figured I would simply enter it into evidence for my point of view. My statements were: > [@](#): > > \*\*His MO is pretty much the same whenever he gets into a GD beyond a passing comment. Knowing that the Bible can be used to support a wide variety of positions depending on which verses you pluck out of context, (as well as some truly outrageous stuff that don’t need decontextualization) he picks a position he knows nobody will agree with and pretends to believe it. If anyone offers factual information to the contrary (like “sin \<\> crime” for instance) he’ll just say “nuh-uh!” and continue arguing along contrafactual lines. If you counter an argument, he’ll just come back a post or two later and restate it, without the necessary refutation to your counter. He very often argues against things you never said, and generally ignores pointed, plain questions, or asks another question in response instead of answering it. In short, he consistently refuses to engage in honest debate. He’s not stupid-- he knows what it is that he does. \*\* I admit that while the behavior isn’t in doubt, I could perhaps be wrong in my assignment of motivations. It may very well be that jmullaney is an idiot, or simply deranged, rather than actively attempting to be a troll, (although I have seen **Satan** and even the extraordinarily even-handed **Polycarp** refer to him as such), but I don’t think so. When he’s on his meds, or just not feeling particularly trollish I guess, he tends to post like any other normal poster. But then his prescription runs out or the moon turns full or whatever, and you get things like this thread. Were-troll? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jmullaney-whats-the-deal/44187.md?page=9)