# Job Opening – POWERPOINT SPECIALIST... **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 11, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939 "2013-08-11T16:14:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/1 "2013-08-11T16:14:23Z")
I have a very negative reaction to staff approving these posts. Note also the side effect: all spammers need to do is to announce that staff have approved this post which will result in Dopers no longer reporting them. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/2 "2013-08-11T16:16:37Z")
A brand new join date is a dead giveaway. Also, only paid members can post an OP in the marketplace. Spammers have no idea of the board rules, customs or culture. Do you really believe they study their targets first? ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/3 "2013-08-11T16:23:30Z")
It’s still spammy, approved or not. It’s unrestrained posting with intent to profit. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/4 "2013-08-11T16:26:13Z")
From the description of The Marketplace forum. > [@](#): > > Got stuff to sell? Assuming (a) it’s legal and (b) you’re a subscriber, here’s the place to do it. Why it was also allowed in this case in MPSIMS, I don’t know. I was a bit puzzled at that. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/5 "2013-08-11T16:36:58Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > It’s still spammy, approved or not. It’s unrestrained posting with intent to profit. It’s restrained in that you have to get our permission first to post this. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/6 "2013-08-11T16:53:51Z")
i think a mod note of approval in the thread or better in the OP will reduce reports of spamming. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/7 "2013-08-11T17:02:08Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > From the description of The Marketplace forum. > Why it was also allowed in this case in MPSIMS, I don’t know. I was a bit puzzled at that. This is one of the very few instances where we allow crossposting. Why? Because there’s Dopers that could use a job. That’s reason enough for us to not only allow this but encourage it. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/8 "2013-08-11T17:05:08Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > I have a very negative reaction to staff approving these posts. > > Note also the side effect: all spammers need to do is to announce that staff have approved this post which will result in Dopers no longer reporting them. We discuss these situations before they appear on the board; anything that just appears without us knowing about it in advance is obviously not playing by the rules and we’d be on it, just as we are on all other spam or other abuse of the message board system. ---
**Author:** ![Emtar\_KronJonDerSohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58956e/32.png) [@Emtar\_KronJonDerSohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emtar_KronJonDerSohn)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/9 "2013-08-11T17:11:07Z")
> [@Job Opening – COPY-EDITOR/PROOFREADER](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-copy-editor-proofreader/665921/5): > > Again, this is posted with staff permission – it is not spam. Yes, it is. And yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/10 "2013-08-11T17:30:29Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Note also the side effect: all spammers need to do is to announce that staff have approved this post which will result in Dopers no longer reporting them. We have had a policy of allowing requests like this with prior staff approval for many years. No real spammer that I have ever seen has mentioned that the admin has approved his post; they don’t bother reading registration agreements or rules. Your concerns in this regard are unfounded. **Onomatopoeia** has been a member for more than eight years and has over 4,000 posts. In approving such requests, we take into account whether the request comes from a longstanding member of our community, and also whether the request may be of benefit to other members of our community. We’re unlikely to approve a request from someone who hasn’t participated here before. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/11 "2013-08-11T17:35:56Z")
I have no problem with this. 1. **Onomatopoeia** is a longtime member with a good posting history. 2. Prior permission was sought and given. 3. It’s in an appropriate forum, the Marketplace. 4. It’s of benefit to other Dopers. Not that they’d necessarily be given preference for the job, but it brings an opening to their attention they might not see through other means. Also, link to the thread for everyone’s benefit: > **[Job Opening – POWERPOINT SPECIALIST](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=699128)** > > I have asked for and have been granted permission by SDMB administration to post job openings for positions at my company. This ad is listed in the MPSIMS as well. We are a growing start-up, nearing our 1-year anniversary, looking for professionals... (So that people know what this thread is about, not to be a shill. 🙂 ) Edited: Ninja’d by **Colibri**! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/12 "2013-08-11T17:47:24Z")
> [@Emtar\_KronJonDerSohn](#): > > And yes it is. From Merriam Webster: > [@](#): > > spam noun \ˈspam\ > > Definition of SPAM > > : unsolicited usually commercial e-mail sent to a large number of addresses It’s not spam. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/13 "2013-08-11T18:55:20Z")
Its not got much spam in it. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/14 "2013-08-11T19:00:34Z")
My reaction when I saw the poster being Onomatopoeia with over 4,000 posts was that a spammer had stolen his ID. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/15 "2013-08-11T19:04:47Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > My reaction when I saw the poster being Onomatopoeia with over 4,000 posts was that a spammer had stolen his ID. I don’t recall that kind of thing happening either. Spammers don’t make that kind of effort. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/16 "2013-08-11T19:27:23Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s not spam. [QUOTE=Oxford Dictionary - American English (US)] unwanted or intrusive advertising on the Internet: [/QUOTE] (note - one of several definitions listed) Yes, it is spam. Just because you found one dictionary with a narrow definition doesn’t mean it’s not spam. I have no problem with Onomatopoeia. They asked, they were given permission, they followed the instructions that they were given. My problem is with the mods/admins approving this. It’s an advertisement for commercial gain, plain and simple. It’s spam. It doesn’t belong here. You can’t justify it by claiming that dopers are looking for jobs and would benefit from it. There are dopers looking for all kinds of things. I don’t want to wade through spams all over the place just to find the real posts. Keep this stuff in the marketplace where it belongs. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/17 "2013-08-11T19:55:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > From Merriam Webster: > > It’s not spam. So, what should we call spam posts, then, when we report them? “If this were in an email, it would be spam”? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/18 "2013-08-11T19:59:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > From Merriam Webster: > > It’s not spam. Look up “circling the wagons”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/19 "2013-08-11T20:00:44Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > So, what should we call spam posts, then, when we report them? “If this were in an email, it would be spam”? If it’s pre-approved, it’s not spam. What is so hard to understand here? ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/job-opening-powerpoint-specialist/665939/20 "2013-08-11T20:02:25Z")
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