# Jodie Whittaker's Doctor Who outfit **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 10, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247 "2017-11-10T20:26:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/41 "2017-11-13T09:14:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Is Mork even a reference most non-US Who fans are going to get? I mean, I know who that is, but I’ve never seen the show. That’s what Google is for! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/42 "2017-11-13T09:55:56Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Is Mork even a reference most non-US Who fans are going to get? I mean, I know who that is, but I’ve never seen the show. Well,on the one hand, it was a worldwide success and Robin Williams is still a contemporary figure, albeit posthumously. On the other hand it was from 40 years ago. Not that it matters, it’s not a deliberate reference, it’s just a commentary. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/43 "2017-11-13T10:03:20Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > It amazes me that people claiming to be Doctor who fans are complaining that the latest doctor’s pants are ill-fitting. Two, Four, Five, Six, Ten, and Eleven all had pants that were either the wrong size or otherwise widely off in some way. Complaining that the first female doctor is keeping the traditional fashion sense that only three and nine (maybe eight) rebelled against seems a little odd. The coat is kind of plain, but not really any worse than Nine’s basic leather jacket, and I suspect she will change her coat unlike prettty much everyone but Nine. I can go look at [that pic upthread](https://www.celebsclothing.com/product_images/uploaded_images/dr-who-costumes.jpg) with the others, and none of their pants look particularly ill-fitting. Granted, we can’t see the length of the pant leg, so some may be too short. But they all look pretty much normal to me. I also note they tend to match the shirt or the coat, and tend to be a normal tan or black variation. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/44 "2017-11-13T10:20:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The truth is, it looks stupid. More importantly, I won’t care if the show is well written again. If the new show-runner can make the show as good as it was mid-Tenant or so, I’ll be happy and the costume will be irrelevant. If I’m honest, Chibnall doesn’t have a strong record: > **[Chris Chibnall - IMDb](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1163823/fullcredits?ref_=m_nmfm_2)** Broadchurch was good, but completely different to Dr Who. None of his other work really inspires confidence. I think the UK has maxed out its showrunner talent and needed to look abroad for someone who could keep the show from descending back into the same second tier fantasy show that it had become (as I understand it) before the original version got the axe back in the day and needed to be revived. I am reasonably doubtful that Chibnall is going to bring it back to Tenant/early-Smith levels. But I will at least give it a try, since I did like the show before Moffat started his Hollywood riff set of stories, which seemed to be the hard corner where everything went to stupidland. I’m willing to give Chibnall and Whitaker a chance. I expect it to start out reasonably strong at least. A new showrunner should have at least a few strong ideas on where to go, so even a mediocre one should (ideally) be able to give us one decent season. But I do hope that they’ll consider looking outside of Britain after Chibnall starts to run dry. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/45 "2017-11-13T12:06:04Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If I’m honest, Chibnall doesn’t have a strong record: > > [Chris Chibnall - Credits (text only) - IMDb](http://m.imdb.com/name/nm1163823/filmotype/producer?ref_=m_nmfm_2) > > Broadchurch was good, but completely different to Dr Who. None of his other work really inspires confidence. > > I think the UK has maxed out its showrunner talent and needed to look abroad for someone who could keep the show You’ve reduced a 30-year writing career to 7 producing credits. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/46 "2017-11-13T12:24:29Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > You’ve reduced a 30-year writing career to 7 producing credits. A showrunner is a producer, first and foremost. Also: > **[Dinosaurs on a Spaceship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaurs_on_a_Spaceship)** > > "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" is the second episode of the seventh series of the British science fiction television programme Doctor Who. It first aired on BBC One in the UK on 8 September 2012 and on BBC America on the same date in the United States. It was written by Chris Chibnall and directed by Saul Metzstein. > The episode features alien time traveller the Doctor (Matt Smith) and his companions Amy Pond (Karen Gillan) and Rory Williams (Arthur Darvill) accompanied by Rory's father, Brian (M... And while I don’t remember the rest of his episodes as being notably horrible, I don’t remember the rest of his episodes. They don’t stand out among the rest in any real way. They are all just “some episode”. And it doesn’t matter whether the man has a 1 year writing history or a 30 year writing history, if he’s mostly “some TV writer”. Moffat, for all the flaws of his later seasons did, unequivocally, write the standout episodes of the Tenant era. Regrettably, he also wrote the standout episodes of the Smith era and he was the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/47 "2017-11-13T12:42:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > But I do hope that they’ll consider looking outside of Britain after Chibnall starts to run dry. …Emma Frost. Jed Mercurio. Toby Whithouse. Jack Thorne. Britain has no shortage of show runners nor has it a shortage of writers who could potentially step up. Chibnall has already intimated that he is going to bring in a “American styled writers room” instead of the traditional writer/episode-centric approach used now which on its own will both shake things up and cover over Chibnall’s deficiencies as a writer. There is no need to panic. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/48 "2017-11-13T12:44:10Z")
Realistically New Who has pretty much ran it’s course. It’s been on the air since 2005! That’s an eternity in our modern tv culture. It’s actually quite amazing the show has thrived this long. I know the original Who ran 26 seasons. Heck Gunsmoke was on 20 and Bonanza over 15. Those days are gone. It’s unusual for any show to even make seven years. Maybe this gimmick with a woman time traveling Doctor will work. I hope it’s not another Voyager. Kate Mulgrew has said her character was written similar to Capt Kirk. The writers never figured out how to adapt the role to a woman’s viewpoint and unique strengths. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/49 "2017-11-13T12:44:43Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > A showrunner is a producer, first and foremost. Not so. A showrunner is someone with decades of experience at all levels. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/50 "2017-11-13T13:14:05Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Realistically New Who has pretty much ran it’s course. It’s been on the air since 2005! That’s an eternity in our modern tv culture. […]It’s unusual for any show to even make seven years. Yeah, but to all intents and purposes, it’s been 4 different shows in that time. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/51 "2017-11-13T13:51:31Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Not so. A showrunner is someone with decades of experience at all levels. 😕 A person with decades of experience at all levels is “a veteran of the industry”. And while it’s something might say about themselves and be proud of, it’s not an occupation, it’s not even a colored belt nor a gold watch. A showrunner is a specific role, that is focused on bringing in the right people, setting them on the right direction, and keeping track of everything as production ensues. It’s the producer who is actually doing the real job of producing the show. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/52 "2017-11-13T15:12:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I can go look at [that pic upthread](https://www.celebsclothing.com/product_images/uploaded_images/dr-who-costumes.jpg) with the others, and none of their pants look particularly ill-fitting. Granted, we can’t see the length of the pant leg, so some may be too short. But they all look pretty much normal to me. Yes, clearly no other doctors have ever worn pants that are too short: [![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8e/43/89/8e4389a957028c7a333e48c61b99064e--suspender-doctor-costume.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8e/43/89/8e4389a957028c7a333e48c61b99064e--suspender-doctor-costume.jpg) And certainly not anything baggy or high waisted, you’re definitely correct that the BBC themselves are wrong when they say that dressing like Two requires “Big, baggy plaid pants. Again, they need to be too big, as though the Second Doctor has big shoes to fill, and isn’t quite old enough. You’ll need suspenders too.” [http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/patrick\_troughton.jpg](http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/patrick_troughton.jpg) > [@](#): > > I also note they tend to match the shirt or the coat, and tend to be a normal tan or black variation. Yes, they match the shirt or coat like: [![](http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/123.jpg) ](http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/123.jpg) [![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg) [![](https://ohmywordness.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/eighth-doctor.jpg) ](https://ohmywordness.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/eighth-doctor.jpg) And stick to normal tan or black for colors like: [![](http://shillpages.com/dw/bakerc13.jpg) ](http://shillpages.com/dw/bakerc13.jpg) [![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/39/1a/29391ae36bc161de774008049b185a93.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/39/1a/29391ae36bc161de774008049b185a93.jpg) [![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg) Clearly, Jodi Whittaker’s doctor is going well outside the bounds of anything the doctor would wear with her outfit, there’s certainly no precedent for anything like it in the history of the show. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/53 "2017-11-13T15:55:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Realistically New Who has pretty much ran it’s course. It’s been on the air since 2005! That’s an eternity in our modern tv culture. It’s actually quite amazing the show has thrived this long. > > I know the original Who ran 26 seasons. Heck Gunsmoke was on 20 and Bonanza over 15. Those days are gone. It’s unusual for any show to even make seven years. > > Maybe this gimmick with a woman time traveling Doctor will work. I hope it’s not another Voyager. Kate Mulgrew has said her character was written similar to Capt Kirk. The writers never figured out how to adapt the role to a woman’s viewpoint and unique strengths. Well…Big Bang Theory is in its 11th season. CSI lasted, what, 15? South Park and the Simpsons have both lasted over 20. It’s certainly not unheard of, even now. Especially since Doctor Who changes it up every 3-4 years. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/54 "2017-11-13T16:01:49Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Yes, clearly no other doctors have ever worn pants that are too short: > [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8e/43/89/8e4389a957028c7a333e48c61b99064e--suspender-doctor-costume.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8e/43/89/8e4389a957028c7a333e48c61b99064e--suspender-doctor-costume.jpg) > And certainly not anything baggy or high waisted, you’re definitely correct that the BBC themselves are wrong when they say that dressing like Two requires “Big, baggy plaid pants. Again, they need to be too big, as though the Second Doctor has big shoes to fill, and isn’t quite old enough. You’ll need suspenders too.” [http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/patrick\_troughton.jpg](http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/patrick_troughton.jpg) > > Yes, they match the shirt or coat like: > [http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/123.jpg](http://images.amcnetworks.com/bbcamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/123.jpg) > [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg) > [ohmywordness: Image](https://ohmywordness.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/eighth-doctor.jpg) > > And stick to normal tan or black for colors like: > [http://shillpages.com/dw/bakerc13.jpg](http://shillpages.com/dw/bakerc13.jpg) > [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/39/1a/29391ae36bc161de774008049b185a93.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/39/1a/29391ae36bc161de774008049b185a93.jpg) > [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/48/e8/d848e8e258ccaa71f4f5b65ea5b9beb5--doctor-who-cosplay-sylvester-mccoy.jpg) > > Clearly, Jodi Whittaker’s doctor is going well outside the bounds of anything the doctor would wear with her outfit, there’s certainly no precedent for anything like it in the history of the show. There’s plenty of precedent for the show being stupid as shit, too, but we don’t like that either. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/55 "2017-11-13T16:29:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > There’s plenty of precedent for the show being stupid as shit, too, but we don’t like that either. Fair point, but the doctors who have been best and worst have not been strongly dictated by how fashionable their garb was. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/56 "2017-11-13T16:31:08Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Well…Big Bang Theory is in its 11th season. CSI lasted, what, 15? South Park and the Simpsons have both lasted over 20. It’s certainly not unheard of, even now. Especially since Doctor Who changes it up every 3-4 years. LAW & ORDER: SEX CRIMES UNIT (note: not the real title) (note: it should be) is apparently still going strong in Season 19, closing in on its predecessor’s 20. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/57 "2017-11-13T16:31:26Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Fair point, but the doctors who have been best and worst have not been strongly dictated by how fashionable their garb was. Though actually the 2 worst Doctors (5&6) did have the silliest looking outfits. But I agree, the outfit is far less important than the writing. A New showrunner gives me hope the series will go in a better direction. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/58 "2017-11-13T16:46:34Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Fair point, but the doctors who have been best and worst have not been strongly dictated by how fashionable their garb was. Actually, I kind of think they have. This is the first impression the new show, new Doctor and new showrunner get to make on us, the viewing public. And the first impression they’ve made isn’t a good one, going by the majority of comments. FWIW, here’s my take on Doctors and their outfits: the more outrageous the outfit, or the more outrageous elements it has, the shittier the Doctor and the show. It’s camouflage, is all, and it never works. Eccentric is fine, affectations are fine, but when it crosses over into crazy homeless person territory (and this new outfit does), things are never at their best for the show as a whole. My cites are 5-8 and 11. I didn’t see any 12s so I have no idea if the conceit holds for Capaldi’s Doctor. ETA: **What Exit?** sees it, too. Good; it’s not just me, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/59 "2017-11-13T16:56:54Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > It looks like it’s the result of the BBC telling the costume department “make it easy to cosplay.” Yes, all of the Rainbow Brite cosplayers will just need to find a pair of culottes instead of a skirt. It’s awful. That said, I do not watch Doctor Who for the Doctor’s sartorial brilliance. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247/60 "2017-11-13T16:57:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And the first impression they’ve made isn’t a good one, going by the majority of comments. No New Series Doctor has ever made a favorable first impression going by internet comments, and as I understand it the same is true for fanzine discussion of the pre-internet Who. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jodie-whittakers-doctor-who-outfit/801247.md?page=4)