# Joe Arpaio's trial starts today **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923 "2017-06-26T16:08:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/1 "2017-06-26T16:08:58Z")
I guess 26 June is just “Scumbags On Trial Day” or something. Is it like this every year and I just never noticed?[ > [@](#): > > His eight-day trial that begins Monday in federal court in Phoenix will determine whether the 85-year-old retired lawman is guilty of misdemeanor contempt of court for disobeying a judge’s order to stop traffic patrols that targeted immigrants. The judge later found his officers racially profiling Latinos. > > The trial starts as the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday rejected former Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s request to let a jury instead of a judge decide whether he is guilty. > [@](#): > > The former six-term sheriff of metro Phoenix has acknowledged defying the judge’s 2011 order in a racial profiling lawsuit by prolonging the patrols for months. But he insists it was not intentional. To win a conviction, prosecutors must prove he violated the order on purpose. > > If convicted, Arpaio could face up to six months in jail, though lawyers who have followed his case doubt that a man of his age would be put behind bars. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_ARIZONA\_SHERIFF\_CRIMINAL\_TRIAL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-26-11-39-45](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ARIZONA_SHERIFF_CRIMINAL_TRIAL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-26-11-39-45))He did so much harm to so many people, I hope to see pictures of him in the same pink clothes he made prisoners wear; fuck leniency due to his age. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/2 "2017-06-26T16:55:45Z")
Why don’t they ever call me for jury duty for these cases? Oh well, I’d never survive voir dire anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/3 "2017-06-27T00:44:37Z")
Prolly the most significant thing in today’s proceedings came from Mr. Arpaio’s former attorney: > [@](#): > > A lawyer who once represented former Sheriff Joe Arpaio in a racial profiling case has testified that he had several meetings with Arpaio to discuss a court order that barred traffic patrols targeting immigrants. > > Attorney Tim Casey was forced to testify Monday at Arpaio’s trial on a criminal contempt-of-court charge for prolonging the patrols after a judge ordered them stopped. > > The questioning got bogged down in objections over whether attorney-client privilege barred Casey from providing details of his conversations with Arpaio. > > Casey says he told Arpaio that his officers either had to arrest immigrants on state charges or release them. > > Prosecutors say Arpaio turned the detainees over to federal authorities in violation of the judge’s order. [Cite](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ARIZONA_SHERIFF_CRIMINAL_TRIAL_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT). ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/4 "2017-06-27T00:48:50Z")
“Arpaio’s lawyer vigorously disputed that a person with nearly 60 years in law enforcement would violate a court order on purpose.” Lol. Of course he would and he did. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/5 "2017-06-27T05:35:47Z")
Fuck that guy. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/6 "2017-06-27T06:13:41Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I guess 26 June is just “Scumbags On Trial Day” or something. Is it like this every year and I just never noticed?[url=[http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_ARIZONA\_SHERIFF\_CRIMINAL\_TRIAL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-26-11-39-45](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ARIZONA_SHERIFF_CRIMINAL_TRIAL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-26-11-39-45)]He did so much harm to so many people, I hope to see pictures of him in the same pink clothes he made prisoners wear; fuck leniency due to his age. But only six months! It needs to be 100 times as long. ---
**Author:** ![campp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@campp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/campp)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/7 "2017-06-27T11:41:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > He did so much harm to so many people, I hope to see pictures of him in the same pink clothes he made prisoners wear; fuck leniency due to his age. Fortunately, his successor has dropped all the silly stuff like pink underwear. Tent City was finally shut down and obsoleted (plenty of room in the existing brick and mortar facilities). One huge expense going forward for the county is to remove all the Joe Arpaio signage all over the place. Extreme narcissism, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/8 "2017-06-27T12:01:56Z")
He won’t be getting shit. And even if he does, the great Orange on will pardon the twit. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/9 "2017-06-27T12:13:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I guess 26 June is just “Scumbags On Trial Day” or something. My favorite holiday! I got to dig out my horsehair wig! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/10 "2017-06-27T14:24:26Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Why don’t they ever call me for jury duty for these cases? > > Oh well, I’d never survive voir dire anyway. Me either. Defense Attorney: Your honor, I would like to dismiss venireman #6. He has been looking stink-eye at the defendant since he walked into the courtroom. Judge: Stink-eye? That’s more murderous intent. Granted. > [@Chimera](#): > > “Arpaio’s lawyer vigorously disputed that a person with nearly 60 years in law enforcement would violate a court order on purpose.” > > Lol. Of course he would and he did. This is called grasping at straws. And it flies in the face of all reason, what with the guy bragging for a generation that he’s the bestest sheriff evar. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/11 "2017-06-27T18:23:12Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I hope to see pictures of him in the same pink clothes he made prisoners wear; fuck leniency due to his age. Put him in pink panties, give him the same bread and water (or whatever it was) he gave to others, and stick him in a tent in the summer Arizona sun. If he squawks, beat the shit out of him, as he and his goons have been accused of doing to others. If he can do hard labor, even better. His age is no fucking excuse. NO leniency for ANY reason. He deserves to get everything he did to other people (many of whom had been charged but not yet convicted of anything, or were just “too Mexican”). ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/12 "2017-06-27T18:41:01Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Put him in pink panties, give him the same bread and water (or whatever it was) he gave to others, and stick him in a tent in the summer Arizona sun. If he squawks, beat the shit out of him, as he and his goons have been accused of doing to others. I’m a firm believer in judging people according to their own standards, so I very strongly agree with this sentiment. Not necessarily the beating part, because I don’t support that, but the uniform, the food, the tents, the sunshine, oh hell yes. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/13 "2017-06-27T19:14:31Z")
He clearly deserves the death penalty. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/14 "2017-06-27T23:31:41Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > He clearly deserves the death penalty. The planet will certainly be a better place when he’s no longer breathing, but since I’m anti death penalty, life without parole works for this POS. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/15 "2017-06-28T00:13:51Z")
How do they know in advance the trial will last eight days? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![DummyGladHands](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DummyGladHands](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DummyGladHands)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/16 "2017-06-28T14:06:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Put him in pink panties, give him the same bread and water (or whatever it was) he gave to others, and stick him in a tent in the summer Arizona sun. If he squawks, beat the shit out of him, as he and his goons have been accused of doing to others. > > If he can do hard labor, even better. His age is no fucking excuse. NO leniency for ANY reason. > > He deserves to get everything he did to other people (many of whom had been charged but not yet convicted of anything, or were just “too Mexican”). Green bologna. Out of date lunch meat IOW ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/17 "2017-06-28T14:38:20Z")
I do think that just because of his senility (and that IMHO is yet another reason why I do not respect many of the ones that were voting for that yahoo) Arpaio will not go to jail. Still, I do think it will be good to get on the record that what he did was at least grossly unjust at best or criminal at worst. To this day I wonder why the so called liberal media did not force Trump and minions to separate from “Mr. Racial profiler” and abuser of power here. Just as they did with Obama and the very controversial people that Obama just met socially and in passing (with no evidence that Obama supported the controversial views they had). Obama even had to leave his church and condemn one of the preachers there because one preacher had funny ideas about the causes of the World Trade Center attack. By the time Trump **willfully** joined Arpaio to the hip in the campaign trail, Arpaio already had his minions arrest and harass local editors of the New Times weekly that were his critics with false accusations. Used racial profiling for his arrests, mismanaged prisons to the point to risk the lives of prisoners with bad food and horrid conditions in his jails (there were also people that did die unnecessarily thanks to those bad conditions). Defied the courts and even attempted to disrupt justice by investigating the wife of the judge in his case. The media really had one job, to constantly bug Trump and minions about why Trump was in bed with abusers of power like Joe Arpaio. The refusal of not officially coming against Arpaio or to not condemn his abuses should had been a very important issue in the election. To press the point about the kind of people Trump was getting closer. It would had been a huuge big Trump size sign about what Trump was very likely to do, and at a larger scale, with America. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/18 "2017-06-28T14:45:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I do think that just because of his senility (and that IMHO is yet another reason why I do not respect many of the ones that were voting for that yahoo) Arpaio will not go to jail. I must have missed the announcement that Arpaio was diagnosed as senile. Do you have a cite? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/19 "2017-06-28T14:48:22Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > He clearly deserves the death penalty. I disagree. It doesn’t matter whether he did racial profiling or violated a court order, because illegal aliens are illegals and they shouldn’t be here. Illegal aliens are un-American and they’re destroying America just by being here illegally. Arpaio should be given a medal and a knighthood and a giant check for a billion dollars and a kiss on both cheeks from Ivanka and Melania Trump, not a trial which is just sore loser libtard snowflake FAKE NEWS anyway. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923/20 "2017-06-28T14:53:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I must have missed the announcement that Arpaio was diagnosed as senile. Do you have a cite? I was going for the dictionary definition: > [@](#): > > se·nile > ˈsēˌnīl,ˈsenīl/ > adjective > adjective: senile > 1. > (of a person) having or showing the weaknesses or diseases of old age, especially a loss of mental faculties. And the Phoenix New Times weekly gave that option to Arpaio because of how he testified years ago, (BTW right now Arpaio is 85) > **[Joe Arpaio During Andrew Thomas Hearing: Senile, Or Full of S\*\*t?](https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaio-during-andrew-thomas-hearing-senile-or-full-of-s-t-6664990)** > > Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio testified -- under oath -- yesterday during the state Bar disciplinary hearing for disgraced former County Attorney Andrew Thomas.As our colleague Stephen Lemons points out in his story on the hearing, it was a... > [@](#): > > Joe Arpaio During Andrew Thomas Hearing: Senile, Or Full of S\*\*t? > [@](#): > > Obviously, it seems odd that Arpaio, the guy running the show at the MCSO for nearly 20 years, had no clue what his top-deputy Hendershott was up to. However, his claim that he doesn’t remember anything could make sense – at 79, his memory seems to be slipping a bit. See exhibit A [here](http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaio-either-forgot-he-was-asked-to-attend-paul-babeus-fast-and-furious-press-conference-or-somebodys-lying-6667914). > > We want to know what you think, though: is Arpaio senile, a liar, or just so full of shit he doesn’t even know when he’s lying and when he’s telling the truth. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-arpaios-trial-starts-today/789923.md?page=2)