# Joe Biden assault accusation part 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366 "2020-05-07T23:21:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/221 "2020-05-21T20:07:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I do, sorry, my bad. :smack::o No worries šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/222 "2020-05-21T20:13:16Z")
I get that you really donā€™t want to believe her and that youā€™d still vote for Biden even if you did believe her (against Bidenā€™s advice). But it looks really bad to pile up little circumstantial evidence to try to prove she didnā€™t do it. It looks Republican. Yes, it looks that bad. I canā€™t believe a Democrat leaning person would use the words of landlords or think its wrong to lie to richer people to get their money. Donā€™t use the landlord stuff or Bidenā€™s denial for a start - we know Biden is either senile or just full of shit when it comes to topics he chooses to lie or is confused about. And Bidenā€™s team worked to keep Harvey Weinstein out of jail - the smears against Reade look very suspicious. Also, who knows, Readeā€™s claims have all kinds of reasons to doubt. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/223 "2020-05-21T20:36:41Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > I canā€™t believe a Democrat leaning person would use the words of landlords or think its wrong to lie to richer people to get their money. You may be mixing up Democrats with Maoists. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/224 "2020-05-21T21:02:20Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > You may be mixing up Democrats with Maoists. Your politics is so confusing with all your squabbling factions these days. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/225 "2020-05-22T12:26:16Z")
Wow! That animal shelter is going after Tara on Twitter big time! > ā€˜Go change your panties now!ā€™ ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/226 "2020-05-22T12:31:23Z")
[Lawyers fear that Reade misrepresented herself](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/politics/tara-reade-credentials.html) as an expert in legal cases where people went to prison and are potentially seeking to reopen cases. > [@](#): > > Defense lawyers in California are reviewing criminal cases in which Tara Reade, the former Senate aide who has accused Joseph R. Biden Jr. of sexual assault, served as an expert witness on domestic violence, concerned that she misrepresented her educational credentials in court. > > Then known as Alexandra McCabe, Ms. Reade testified as a government witness in Monterey County courts for nearly a decade, describing herself as an expert in the dynamics of domestic violence who had counseled hundreds of victims. > > But lawyers who had faced off against her in court began raising questions about the legitimacy of her testimony, and the verdicts that followed, after news reports this week that Antioch University had disputed her claim of receiving a bachelorā€™s degree from its Seattle campus. In addition to lying about her degree, she apparently [misrepresented her role](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/21/tara-reade-biden-expert-testimony-274460) while describing her work for Biden: > [@](#): > > Reade, the former Joe Biden staffer who recently accused him of sexually assaulting her in 1993, stated she had an undergraduate degree that her college says she never earned and appears to have exaggerated her role in Bidenā€™s office, according to trial transcripts in two court cases reviewed by POLITICO ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/227 "2020-05-22T12:42:06Z")
Agreed, looks like the Weinstein tacitcs might work on her. Without Hollywood money and power she will be easily crushed. And truth shall lie fallen, in a forest, unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/228 "2020-05-22T12:48:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > So, your point is without proof, there are no criminal offense convictions? My point is without enough VALID proof, there are no criminal charges ā€¦ But it has been shown that there are lots of people willing to utilize public opinion as their hammer (and a lot of people on this board agree!), right up until itā€™s their guy. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/229 "2020-05-22T12:49:04Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > And truth shall lie fallen, in a forest, unknown. Poetic, but meaningless. Everyone could treat her as a saint and it would still be a ā€œShe said, he saidā€ debate without any actual evidence. With the lack of actual evidence, credibility matters. You can forever say ā€œYeah but he still coulda done itā€ as we learn more and more about her history as a serial grifter and the accumulating flaws in her account but, at some point, her words simply have no weight in truth. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/230 "2020-05-22T12:53:56Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Poetic, but meaningless. Everyone could treat her as a saint and it would still be a ā€œShe said, he saidā€ debate without any actual evidence. > > With the lack of actual evidence, credibility matters. You can forever say ā€œYeah but he still coulda done itā€ as we learn more and more about her history as a serial grifter and the accumulating flaws in her account but, at some point, her words simply have no weight in truth. Agreed, as I agreed with the same in the flimsy Kavanaugh hearing. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/231 "2020-05-22T13:15:47Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > My point is without enough VALID proof, there are no criminal charges ā€¦ > > But it has been shown that there are lots of people willing to utilize public opinion as their hammer (and a lot of people on this board agree!), right up until itā€™s their guy. It has also been shown that a lot of people donā€™t care if their guy has 25 or more sexual assault accusations as long as they get to attempt to point out hypocrisy from a few people who donā€™t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/232 "2020-05-22T13:31:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > It has also been shown that a lot of people donā€™t care if their guy has 25 or more sexual assault accusations as long as they get to attempt to point out hypocrisy from a few people who donā€™t matter. Except, itā€™s you and I talking right? And I already agreed that if proof was found for that other guy with 25 or more accusations, then he should be dismissed as well. Are you saying that it needs to be any different for Biden? Because if itā€™s ok for one, then it better be ok for the other. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/233 "2020-05-22T13:40:07Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Except, itā€™s you and I talking right? And I already agreed that if proof was found for that other guy with 25 or more accusations, then he should be dismissed as well. Great! Now all you need to do is call out Republicans/conservatives for their hypocrisy and youā€™ll avoid the hypocrisy charge yourself. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/234 "2020-05-22T15:47:52Z")
Hopefully this episode has reinforced to everyone that serious and thorough investigations are always positive and should always be encouraged for allegations of sexual assault and rape. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/235 "2020-05-22T16:48:39Z")
[Readeā€™s lawyer has dumped her.](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/lawyer-drops-tara-reade-as-client-274635) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/236 "2020-05-22T17:22:05Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Your politics is so confusing with all your squabbling factions these days. I know, right? Itā€™s one endless brawl between the Democrats who think itā€™s OK to lie to richer people to take their money and those who insist itā€™s mandatory. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/237 "2020-05-22T18:08:53Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Agreed, looks like the Weinstein tacitcs might work on her. Without Hollywood money and power she will be easily crushed. > > And truth shall lie fallen, in a forest, unknown. Looks like the truth is working on her. She misrepresented her credentials as an expert witness, raising the possibility that she wrongly helped convict people. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/238 "2020-05-22T18:27:19Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > I get that you really donā€™t want to believe her and that youā€™d still vote for Biden even if you did believe her (against Bidenā€™s advice). But it looks really bad to pile up little circumstantial evidence to try to prove she didnā€™t do it. It looks Republican. Yes, it looks that bad. > > I canā€™t believe a Democrat leaning person would use the words of landlords or think its wrong to lie to richer people to get their money. What does that even mean? I mean, Iā€™m a landlord, why would I think that owning a property and allowing someone to rent a part of it would make one less trustworthy? And lying to rich people to get their money is called scamming or conning, and it is wrong to do. I have no idea why or how you would get these completely counterfactual impressions. Do you distrust anyone who owns property? Do you scam rich people? > [@](#): > > Donā€™t use the landlord stuff or Bidenā€™s denial for a start - we know Biden is either senile or just full of shit when it comes to topics he chooses to lie or is confused about. We know this, eh? > [@](#): > > And Bidenā€™s team worked to keep Harvey Weinstein out of jail - the smears against Reade look very suspicious. Cite, please > [@](#): > > Also, who knows, Readeā€™s claims have all kinds of reasons to doubt. Yeah, the fact that she is proven to have committed perjury, misrepresenting herself, her credentials, her education, and her experience while giving sworn testimony in a court should either destroy her credibility or qualify her for the Supreme Court. > [@Manwich](#): > > Agreed, looks like the Weinstein tacitcs might work on her. Without Hollywood money and power she will be easily crushed. > > And truth shall lie fallen, in a forest, unknown. Yeah, the truth fell when she started lying. > [@Kearsen1](#): > > My point is without enough VALID proof, there are no criminal charges ā€¦ > > But it has been shown that there are lots of people willing to utilize public opinion as their hammer (and a lot of people on this board agree!), right up until itā€™s their guy. There could be no criminal charges either way. This is about our choices, a preponderance of evidence at best. There will never be proof, as there really is almost never proof of anything. What has been shown is a consistent and rational approach to allegations of sexual abuse or harassment, and that is to take such charges seriously and investigate them to the best of our ability. That is what we ask when it is your guy, that is what we ask when it is our guy. This really isnā€™t that complicated. Do you think that you could articulate what it is that seems to be confusing you on this? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hopefully this episode has reinforced to everyone that serious and thorough investigations are always positive and should always be encouraged for allegations of sexual assault and rape. I doubt it has done so for everyone. It would make sense that those who thought that #believewomen meant that we should always believe all women no matter the circumstances, as it was accused at the time, now would see a more rational and nuanced approach, the approach that we ask them to take, and learn from it. However, since it conflicts with their accusation, they will not change the accusation, but rather, since we are not acting in the way that they insist that we act, they call it hypocrisy. There may be a bit to be learned, but most of us already know it, and most of those who donā€™t are resistant to learning anything that would interfere with their biases. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/239 "2020-05-22T18:28:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Great! Now all you need to do is call out Republicans/conservatives for their hypocrisy and youā€™ll avoid the hypocrisy charge yourself. You realize of course, that I refer to people in this very thread ā€¦ Not random Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/240 "2020-05-22T18:32:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > What does that even mean? I mean, Iā€™m a landlord, why would I think that owning a property and allowing someone to rent a part of it would make one less trustworthy? > > And lying to rich people to get their money is called scamming or conning, and it is wrong to do. > > I have no idea why or how you would get these completely counterfactual impressions. > > Do you distrust anyone who owns property? Do you scam rich people? > > We know this, eh? > > Cite, please > Yeah, the fact that she is proven to have committed perjury, misrepresenting herself, her credentials, her education, and her experience while giving sworn testimony in a court should either destroy her credibility or qualify her for the Supreme Court. > > Yeah, the truth fell when she started lying. > > There could be no criminal charges either way. > > This is about our choices, a preponderance of evidence at best. There will never be proof, as there really is almost never proof of anything. > > What has been shown is a consistent and rational approach to allegations of sexual abuse or harassment, and that is to take such charges seriously and investigate them to the best of our ability. That is what we ask when it is your guy, that is what we ask when it is our guy. > > This really isnā€™t that complicated. Do you think that you could articulate what it is that seems to be confusing you on this? > > I doubt it has done so for everyone. > > It would make sense that those who thought that #believewomen meant that we should always believe all women no matter the circumstances, as it was accused at the time, now would see a more rational and nuanced approach, the approach that we ask them to take, and learn from it. > > However, since it conflicts with their accusation, they will not change the accusation, but rather, since we are not acting in the way that they insist that we act, they call it hypocrisy. > > There may be a bit to be learned, but most of us already know it, and most of those who donā€™t are resistant to learning anything that would interfere with their biases. Should I go back through this thread and copy and paste all those who replied with ā€œIā€™m going to vote for him anyway, even if he did itā€ In my recollection, there were quite a few. Those are the people I was talking to. If you are not one of them who would vote for Biden regardless the situation, then goodie [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=13)