# Joe Biden assault accusation part 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366 "2020-05-07T23:21:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/281 "2020-05-23T20:28:40Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Only when you look at them through a partisan lense. Both were uncompelling IMHO, Ford’s no less or more so than Raede’s. Ford had supported several liberal causes and did not politically support Kavanaugh, but none of any of that would be enough in a typical #metoo context. … > > There is simply nothing that makes Ford’s or Raede’s story any different in a dispassionate non-partisan context. > > And you don’t think the Dems have any dirty trick machines? > > Look, if the GOP was paying off so many people, why can’t they pay off yet another accuser against Biden, but vet this one so she hasn’t left a paper trial and leave out any specificities just like Ford did? Raede’s story has not been “disproved” by any sense of that word. What you are saying is that in your subjective judgment (and I share that judgment) that her story is false. It could have happened. > > Sure having Biden withdraw would lead to more false allegations—the exact argument made by Kavanaugh supporters—but Biden has to lie in the bed of his own making here. > … Ford wasn’t _proven_ to be a serial liar. Yes, indeed Reade’s story has been disproven. Altho she tried to be vague as to when and where so it couldnt be disproven, investigators have shown that her location is totally false, it could not possibly have happened in even her vague description of where.\*\* Investigated and disproven. \*\* **The GOP has paid women to make false rape claims.** The Dems havent had anything even vaguely like that. Dont worry, they will. Once the media has more or less dumped Reade- and that pretty much has happened- the GOP will put up another accuser. Maybe not rape, but something else. Swiftboating worked, they wont stop. Trump is a admitted sexual abuser, and he brags about it. He\* bragged\* about “grabbing them by the pussy”. But the MAGA hat wearers still support him, they glorify in his tales of sexual assault. \*You \*are a trump voter? 😕 Biden admitted he is a hugger- and not checking into seeing if those hugs, etc are wanted first. He has said he was wrong and has stopped. Hugging, even when unwanted, \*is not anything at all like violent rape. \* ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/282 "2020-05-23T20:33:42Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Let’s just focus on this (and no, Trump has not “admitted” to abusing women; I have no interest in doing the “you can grab 'em by the pussy debate” which has been done to death, was grandiose bragging to Billy Bush about how women _consented_ to allow him to do what he wanted because he was a celebrity. “They don’t care.”)… Trump admitted and bragged about being a sexual voyeur in beauty contests, some of which were with underaged girls. He also has TWENTYFIVE accusations. > **[Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations)** > > Donald Trump, the president of the United States from 2017 to 2021, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. > Litigation includes his then-wife Ivana's rape claim during their 1990 divorce (she later recanted); businesswoman Jill Harth's 1997 lawsuit alleging breach of contract and sexual harassment (she settled the former claim and forfeited the latter); and former Apprentice contesta... > **[The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct](https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12)** > > In May 2023, a Manhattan jury found Donald Trump liable for the sexual abuse of E. Jean Carroll. Here's who else has accused him of misconduct. [https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-10-07/hot-mic-catches-donald-trump-bragging-about-sexual-assault](https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-10-07/hot-mic-catches-donald-trump-bragging-about-sexual-assault) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/283 "2020-05-23T20:44:59Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > How are women not “taken seriously” in your estimate? Most women still don’t come forward, and when they do, their lives turn upside down. Only rarely does anything actually come of their allegations. Those rare incidents almost always make the news – we don’t hear about the great majority in which nothing happens except the woman’s life being upended. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/284 "2020-05-23T21:31:29Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > predators prey on imperfect people because they know that nobody will believe them, etc. While broadly true, there’s no evidence that this was the case here. Multiple staffers from that time expressed that Biden spent very little time with the junior staff and didn’t really know them. Much less enough about them to find the one who is “imperfect” enough that no one would believe her story three decades later. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/285 "2020-05-23T23:29:34Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Let’s just focus on this (and no, Trump has not “admitted” to abusing women; I have no interest in doing the “you can grab 'em by the pussy debate” which has been done to death, was grandiose bragging to Billy Bush about how women _consented_ to allow him to do what he wanted because he was a celebrity. “They don’t care.”). … Neither in Trump’s own words, nor in the accounts of his many accusers, is there any evidence that the women “consented.” You appear to be making an argument along the lines of ‘if she doesn’t scream, then she is consenting’ or ‘if she doesn’t file charges immediately, then she consented.’ Is that appearance correct?—_is_ that what you are arguing? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/286 "2020-05-23T23:39:10Z")
The idea that Trump even understands what consent means is too ludicrous to consider. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/287 "2020-05-23T23:42:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The idea that Trump even understands what consent means is too ludicrous to consider. I agree; Trump lives by the rule of the badly-behaved toddler (_me do what me want_). But what I was asking about was the argument being advanced by UltraVires in that particular (quoted) post. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/288 "2020-05-24T00:05:57Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Talking about the strategist who worked to keep rapist Harvey Weinstein clean now working for Biden: > [Anita Dunn is her name](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B8%D0%B4,_%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0) I am not sure what you were attempting, here, but a link to a Wikipedia page in Russian violates the SDMB protocol of only posting in English. That the same page appears in English with no reference to Anita Dunn, the person you identified as the target of your information, almost makes it look as though you were playing games with both the language and the citation. I will hold off citing you as a troll, but you had better be very careful to avoid this sort of “confusion” in the future. [Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/289 "2020-05-24T00:14:49Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Sorry, wrong link. Crikey you people are touchy about Russia. Cold war is over dudes. > [https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stevenperlberg/former-obama-adviser-anita-dunn-helped-harvey-weinstein](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stevenperlberg/former-obama-adviser-anita-dunn-helped-harvey-weinstein) The Cold War is over, but if you may have paid attention to news reports from the last several years, you might be aware that there is substantial evidence that Russia has been interfering with the election process of the U.S. I will accept that your Noted post, above, may have been simply a typo, but you might want to double check any post you submit in the future to make sure that you have not accidentally cited a similar reference. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/290 "2020-05-24T04:24:42Z")
It’s not even the right [Tara Reid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Reid). ---
**Author:** ![jo1010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/35a633/32.png) [@jo1010](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jo1010)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/291 "2020-05-24T05:23:38Z")
The comparison to Kavanaugh doesn’t make sense. That wasn’t a case of Ford going to the media and the media putting out a poorly vetted story. That allegation leaked from Diane Feinstein’s office. And there was no hard evidence Ford was lying (and no hard evidence she was telling the truth either.) A better comparison is the Katie Johnson allegation against Trump. She filed a lawsuit claiming Trump raped her when she was 13. There were so many red flags with the case, the media, including liberal outlets, mostly avoided covering it. Yet the media covered the Reade allegations even though there were a ton of red flags. Reporters in Washington had to have known that the location where the assault supposedly happened had a lot of foot traffic, a heavy police presence, and even in 1993 a security camera system. They had to have known that Reade wouldn’t have been asked to serve drinks at a fundraiser because union workers did those jobs. 1993 was the height of the Bob Packwood scandal when even minor complaints were taken seriously, which should have raised serious doubts about a formal complaint being filed. Despite all this, the media mostly waited a whole month before addressing the problems with the allegation. The media, including liberals, avoided an allegation against Trump because there were so many red flags, but that same media, including liberals, treated Biden as guilty until he was proven innocent. There were calls for Biden to withdraw and headlines like “Democrats, It’s Time to Consider a Plan B.” Why the different treatment for Trump and Biden with equally sketchy allegations? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/292 "2020-05-24T10:54:04Z")
> [@jo1010](#): > > The comparison to Kavanaugh doesn’t make sense. That wasn’t a case of Ford going to the media and the media putting out a poorly vetted story. That allegation leaked from Diane Feinstein’s office. And there was no hard evidence Ford was lying (and no hard evidence she was telling the truth either.) A better comparison is the Katie Johnson allegation against Trump. She filed a lawsuit claiming Trump raped her when she was 13. There were so many red flags with the case, the media, including liberal outlets, mostly avoided covering it. > > Yet the media covered the Reade allegations even though there were a ton of red flags. Reporters in Washington had to have known that the location where the assault supposedly happened had a lot of foot traffic, a heavy police presence, and even in 1993 a security camera system. They had to have known that Reade wouldn’t have been asked to serve drinks at a fundraiser because union workers did those jobs. 1993 was the height of the Bob Packwood scandal when even minor complaints were taken seriously, which should have raised serious doubts about a formal complaint being filed. Despite all this, the media mostly waited a whole month before addressing the problems with the allegation. > > The media, including liberals, avoided an allegation against Trump because there were so many red flags, but that same media, including liberals, treated Biden as guilty until he was proven innocent. There were calls for Biden to withdraw and headlines like “Democrats, It’s Time to Consider a Plan B.” Why the different treatment for Trump and Biden with equally sketchy allegations? I think the mainstream media basically ignored Reade for the first month because they took a quick look at it and realized it was a really flawed story and was pushed hard by The Intercept and other sketchy places on the intercept. Concurrently some of those pushing the story hardest were also pushing for Bernie to unsuspend his campaign and become the nominee. But, the smoke got to be too much and some of the more mainstream blogs and commentators picked it up, too often waffling. ‘Something probably happened to make her feel uncomfortable’ But, then the Reade people overplayed their hand and getting it onto MSNBC was the beginning of the end. And, people who thought the story was sketchy from the get go did their probing and exposed Reade as someone who has an adult past full of lies, scams, half truths and manipulative behavior. I do find it interesting that the Reade story starting getting pushed on Twitter right at the same time Bernie fired Sirota and Gray, his two most radical surrogates that had gone unhinged when Bernie suspended. The Trump with the 13 year old was so sketchy that no one took it seriously and there was so much other material against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/293 "2020-05-25T14:24:46Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As such there is nothing remotely odd about it, and your “murder by a neighbor” analogy is not on point. I agree that there is nothing odd about it, but for a different reason: By saying that, instead of the opposite alternative, something like “she should just shut up”, Biden looks reasonable and projects an air of innocence (or at least is trying to). Nothing more than that. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/294 "2020-05-27T11:57:14Z")
Reade being investigated by Monterey County for her role in expert testimony and they’ll perhaps subpoena her academic records. The article mentions perhaps only 3 quarters. I’m not sure how someone who only has 3 quarters could even fantasize about having graduated, it’s not similar to be in being one credit shy and having to take one last class. It’ll be real interesting to see what comes of her law school history as well. > **[California DA launches investigation into Tara Reade testimony](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/26/california-tara-reade-investigation-283592)** > > ‘We are investigating whether Ms. McCabe gave false testimony under oath,’ said a Monterey County prosecutor. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/295 "2023-05-31T17:26:56Z")
Reade has defected to Russia and started hanging around a Kremlin spy. > **[Woman who accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993 defects to Russia...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/tara-reade-defects-russia-biden-intl/index.html)** > > A former staffer who accused Joe Biden of sexual assault has defected to Moscow, telling state media that she felt “safe” in Russia and would seek citizenship there. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/296 "2023-05-31T18:06:13Z")
Sounds like someone who isn’t all that stable. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/297 "2023-05-31T18:07:39Z")
I think you’re saying it could discount her credibility. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/298 "2023-05-31T18:16:25Z")
According to the CNN article, she is NOT a Russian citizen (yet) but is a member of the Russian parliament. Will have to check more on this. Don’t you have to run in a sham election first? Or did she? Or is CNN an unreliable source of news? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/299 "2023-05-31T18:19:58Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > According to the CNN article, she is NOT a Russian citizen (yet) but is a member of the Russian parliament. The member of parliament is [Maria Butina](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/media/maria-butina-rt-tv-show-intl/index.html) – the spy – not Reade. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/300 "2023-05-31T18:48:15Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > The member of parliament is [Maria Butina](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/media/maria-butina-rt-tv-show-intl/index.html) – the spy – not Reade. Thank you. My bad. [We also elect spies to our legislature.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/when-ex-spies-go-rogue-by-becoming-lawmakers/2019/01/01/9890c4da-095c-11e9-a3f0-71c95106d96a_story.html) Nothing wrong with it, by itself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=16)