# Joe Biden assault accusation part 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366 "2020-05-07T23:21:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/101 "2020-05-09T17:21:31Z")
She suffered in silence for twenty-seven years, praising Biden, in love with Vladimir Putin, and then started changing her story with lie after lie. Who’s paying her to lie now; and what’s the over-under on how much it took to buy her? In the White House we have a proud pussy grabber, who told jokes that put Jeffrey Epstein in stitches, wants to fuck his own daughter, leers at 14-year old girls (and was credibly accused of raping one). Anyone who cares about this Tara Reade story is confused … and hereby ordered to watch the Bill Maher excerpt **SlackerInc** links to. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Bill Maher nails it in his latest “New Rules” rant: > > "Don't know. Never will. Don't care." Word. > > And “why now”, indeed. Why not before Super Tuesday, or after the November election? Could it have something to do with Putin? After all, in a now-deleted post, Bill notes that Reade said _**“I love Russia with all my heart…[Vladimir Putin] is intoxicating to American women.”**_ [sgs7 added emphasis] And I’m sure Putin would much rather this allegation be made after Biden has the nomination sewn up, but before he beats Trump in the general. :dubious: I wish **SlackerInc** had quoted Reade’s love note to Putin in its entirety — it is hilarious. I’m no longer consulting the _I Ching_ nor sacrificing jackasses to read their entrails. I now seek my divine guidance from the space of valid word arithmetic puzzles: TARA + READE = DEADLY + LIAR TARA + READE = PUTIN + HAND I ask anyone posting in support of Tara Reade to watch the Bill Maher YouTube and comment thereon. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/102 "2020-05-09T17:35:36Z")
At least the ‘woke folk’ are conflicted. For Trump supporters, the moral high ground is a mythical peak miles and miles above, never to be glimpsed. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/103 "2020-05-09T17:35:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s funny how little we hear about slut-shaming from the woke folk now […] Reade gets called a nut and a floozy I’m not saying this hasn’t happened at all because the world and internet is a big place but I can say that I haven’t been seeing this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/104 "2020-05-09T17:44:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s funny how little we hear about slut-shaming from the woke folk now, and how little we hear from them about treating accusers badly when Reade gets called a nut and a floozy and politically motivated and a liar. If you ignore the many posts (including the many posts from me) that do just this, than perhaps. Perhaps you missed them. It is indeed wrong to denigrate women just for speaking out, including Reade. As I’ve said many, many times. > [@](#): > > Also funny how the response to this - > > is to accuse somebody else of not caring about sexual assault. > > Funny. Not ha-ha funny, but funny. What post is this referring to? There’s no link. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/105 "2020-05-09T17:58:33Z")
**Shodan** , are you opposing slut-shaming now, or are you in favor of it? Or does it depend on who it benefits and harms? I’m not clear on what your position is, unless it’s just drive-by snark. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/106 "2020-05-09T18:45:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s funny how little we hear about slut-shaming from the woke folk now, and how little we hear from them about treating accusers badly when Reade gets called a nut and a floozy and politically motivated and a liar. > Regards, > Shodan I recall that when Reade’s story first came out, everyone took it seriously and many people insisted that if shown to be credible, Biden would necessarily need to step down. This was said by many democrats and liberals on the board and in general. As additional details began to emerge about Reade, her ever changing story, her documented questionable behavior, her social media history, and recent reporting about who is representing her… a picture began to emerge that was far less flattering and believable. Now, is it your position that liberals/democrats/progressives have no right to change their minds and opinions based on new information about Reade because their “wokeness” prohibits them from doing so? If so, who made you the authority of enforcing these constraints and to sit in presumptive snide judgement? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/107 "2020-05-09T21:29:15Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > You’ve used this argument often, and it remains a poor one. Biden’s “line” is not even remotely odd. > > Biden, like any American with basic knowledge of our Constitution and legal system, acknowledges that Reade, like any other person, has a right to say whatever she wishes (outside the normal exceptions such as yelling ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater). In our system, a person may say whatever they wish about another person. > > The person or persons about whom something is said, _then have their own right to bring suit for slander or libel_ (as the case may be). > > Acknowledging a legal-and-moral right to speak is _not_ the same thing as placing a seal of approval on what is said. > > “She has a right to say it” is not within miles of what you imply it is. It is _ **not** _ ‘I’m not opposing her claim.’ It is _ **not** _ ‘I agree with what she’s said.’ It is _ **not** _ ‘She’s telling the truth.’ > > What it _ **is** _, is “she has a right to say” whatever she wants to say. _ **Then Biden, in turn, has and can exercise his right to hold her accountable for her false claim.** _ So far he’s been doing that by asserting that her claim is false. No doubt legal action against Reade has been discussed within the campaign; possibly it’s been rejected so far because the spectacle of taking a mentally-ill woman to court would be unpleasant and off-putting. The campaign may feel that denials, and the resulting impact on Reade’s reputation, are sufficient to get the point across. > > But I don’t think anyone lacking a crystal ball can be sure that Reade is free and clear of potential legal consequences for her choice to say these things. (That doesn’t change the fact that she, as Biden notes, has the right to say what she wants to say.) That is an odd way to look at something. It is like saying that I have a “right” to rob a bank and then society has a corresponding right to put me in prison for 15 years or that a business has a right to have an unsafe workplace and a worker also has a right to sue a business for negligent injury or OSHA has a right to impose civil penalties. That’s newspeak. And it is just an odd way of saying things. Nobody does it. If you were accused of murder by a neighbor, would you respond by saying, “Well, the neighbor has the right to accuse me of murder, but the allegation is false. I didn’t murder anyone”? Of course not; it’s just a goofy thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/108 "2020-05-09T21:39:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s funny how little we hear about slut-shaming from the woke folk now . . . I don’t put myself in the woke camp. But in their defense, I’ve been paying a fair amount of attention to news reports concerning Reade, and don’t recall anything on how many sex partners she has had, or that she seduced a lot a men. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/109 "2020-05-09T21:43:51Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > In an effort to disqualify Kavanaugh the Democrats hitched their cart to the sex accusation donkey and now it’s running them off the path. > > From my view the Kavanaugh and Biden accusations are similar with equal probability. Ford seemed more reliable than Reade but then Biden does have the shaky history of over-touching. It is highly unlikely that a 25+ year-old accusation is going to be proven one way or the other so it just comes down to he/she said. > > Both sides are showering themselves in hypocrisy. Democrats–hoping that the accusation is untrue–are putting Reade’s testimony through the ringer and using the same rationalizations they criticized Republicans for. I’ll give some credit (for now) to Republicans: I haven’t heard many, if any, GOP politicians call out Biden. I suppose the Dope will set me straight if they have. > > To me the underlying problem is that the Democrats tried too hard to get rid of a SCOTUS candidate that they disliked using a weakly supported accusation. If they had hard evidence then absolutely go after him but now they look stupid and hypocritical. > > But sadly being a hypocrite is par for politics. I agree with this. I won’t dispute who had the “better” story, Ford or Raede because the answer to that is subjective and the answer will depend on our own personal experiences and biases (apart from politics). Maybe one or the other reminds you of a friend from college who was assaulted. Maybe one or the other reminds you of a friend from college who was always causing trouble. In all of these cases, nothing is based on solid evidence, it is all gut feelings filtered through bias. And I also agree with you that very few, if any, Republicans are calling Joe Biden out because they believe that he sexually assaulted Raede. They are calling him out because of his hypocrisy on the issue. Biden has helped enact into law policies for courts, universities, and workplaces that, if applied to him, would disqualify him. I would agree with you that any Republican claiming that Biden should drop out because he is guilty of sexual assault should be branded a hypocrite. However, at least my position has been consistent since Clarence Thomas, continuing through Bill Clinton to Donald Trump to Kavanaugh and now to Biden. And my position is that I feel very badly if a woman is made to feel uncomfortable and if she is sexually assaulted, I will be angry. But I don’t personally know any of these people. Without any physical evidence or any eyewitness account, I am simply forced to choose between the word of two people I don’t know and use my gut to say that I think THIS person is telling the truth. That’s a terrible way to conduct these sorts of things and by adopting the standard of #metoo and “believe all women” or whatever modifier they have placed on that now you weaponize these allegations and encourage false ones. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/110 "2020-05-09T23:54:22Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > You’ve used this argument often, and it remains a poor one. Biden’s “line” is not even remotely odd. > > Biden, like any American with basic knowledge of our Constitution and legal system, acknowledges that Reade, like any other person, has a right to say whatever she wishes (outside the normal exceptions such as yelling ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater). In our system, a person may say whatever they wish about another person. > > The person or persons about whom something is said, _then have their own right to bring suit for slander or libel_ (as the case may be). > > Acknowledging a legal-and-moral right to speak is _not_ the same thing as placing a seal of approval on what is said. … > [@UltraVires](#): > > That is an odd way to look at something. It is like saying that I have a “right” to rob a bank and then society has a corresponding right to put me in prison for 15 years No. It isn’t. Robbing a bank is illegal. Saying someone assaulted you is not illegal. > [@UltraVires](#): > > or that a business has a right to have an unsafe workplace and a worker also has a right to sue a business for negligent injury or OSHA has a right to impose civil penalties. Whether or not a business has a “right to have an unsafe workplace” would depend on the particulars of the unsafe conditions and the laws that apply in the locality in question. But whether or not an American has a right to make a claim about assault is not conditioned on locality; it’s fully legal to speak out in that way. In other parts of the world, as I noted in a previous post, there is no legal right to speak out (either de jure or de facto) against a prominent political figure. But that’s other nations. In the USA, it is legal. > [@UltraVires](#): > > That’s newspeak. And it is just an odd way of saying things. Nobody does it. If you were accused of murder by a neighbor, would you respond by saying, “Well, the neighbor has the right to accuse me of murder, but the allegation is false. I didn’t murder anyone”? Of course not; it’s just a goofy thing to say. Biden’s response was clearly intended both to deny the accusation, and to acknowledge that the world has changed with respect to women speaking out about sexual assaults. As such there is nothing remotely odd about it, and your “murder by a neighbor” analogy is not on point. ---
**Author:** ![Sdowiat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Sdowiat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sdowiat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/111 "2020-05-10T00:15:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is a straw-man argument. And coming from an apparent supporter of Trump, it’s not credible that you actually care about accusations of sexual assault. I’m a “Conservative” & I support who will be the most consistently conservative. If Joe would do that I would support him… while also stating that I bet he’s guilty as hell of this, plus the Worlds biggest Hypocrite for his loud vocal support for “Believe every Woman” WHILE DOING THIS STUFF! Trump… I’m betting he’s been in some shady deals and used every tax loophole that IS IN the tax code plus plenty of gray areas… and I bet he hasn’t always been the nicest to women, ( most of whom were after his money ) but he’s got a pretty good conservative track record politically and he’s doing the things that I think need doing. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/112 "2020-05-10T00:31:04Z")
> [@Sdowiat](#): > > but he’s got a pretty good conservative track record politically and he’s doing the things that I think need doing. What, making empty promises? Golfing? Holding rallies? Acting like he’s still in a reality TV show? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/113 "2020-05-10T00:32:08Z")
> [@Sdowiat](#): > > “Believe every Woman” This doesn’t exist. #MeToo doesn’t advocate that every single woman must be believed and never questioned – #MeToo advocates that all allegations be taken seriously and investigated. Like the multiple allegations of sexual assault and rape against Trump, who has also bragged about sexual assault and violating women’s consent on multiple occasions. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/114 "2020-05-10T01:25:41Z")
> [@Sdowiat](#): > > I’m a “Conservative” & I support who will be the most consistently conservative. If Joe would do that I would support him… while also stating that I bet he’s guilty as hell of this, plus the Worlds biggest Hypocrite for his loud vocal support for “Believe every Woman” WHILE DOING THIS STUFF! > > Trump… I’m betting he’s been in some shady deals and used every tax loophole that IS IN the tax code plus plenty of gray areas… and I bet he hasn’t always been the nicest to women, ( most of whom were after his money ) but he’s got a pretty good conservative track record politically and he’s doing the things that I think need doing. What about the daily pathological lying and imbecilic blathering? Good with that too? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/115 "2020-05-10T05:49:03Z")
> [@Sdowiat](#): > > How can we best explain to daughters that we “Believe Every Woman” … except THIS ONE? Why should we teach our daughters anything like this? How about “don’t dismiss women’s allegations out of hand”? > [@Jophiel](#): > > I’m not saying this hasn’t happened at all because the world and internet is a big place but I can say that I haven’t been seeing this. I haven’t called her a “floozy”. But a “nut”? Sure. If the shell fits… > [@UltraVires](#): > > And it is just an odd way of saying things. Nobody does it. If you were accused of murder by a neighbor, would you respond by saying, “Well, the neighbor has the right to accuse me of murder, but the allegation is false. I didn’t murder anyone”? Of course not; it’s just a goofy thing to say. Cosigned. Biden’s comment there combined with his vow to undo the changes in Title IX is just a :smack: > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Robbing a bank is illegal. Saying someone assaulted you is not illegal. Falsely accusing someone of assault is slander. Falsely reporting a crime to police is a crime. Reade did report this to the police just recently, which means that Biden believes she is guilty of a crime (and he is not). ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/116 "2020-05-10T07:09:45Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > We are going into the dirtiest political campaign ever. I think Jefferson’s 1796 campaign against then-VP John Adams called him a “hideous hermaphroditical” creature. [Correction:](https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/hideous-hermaphroditical-character-spurious-quotation) it came from a partisan supporter. Close enough, and hard to beat, though invective is WWW-supercharged now. For fun, see [9 Insults That Make the Presidential Campaign Seem Civilized](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-presidential-campaigns-getting-nastier-not-really/bastard-brat-of-a-scotch-pedler) (Merriam-Webster). I fear Team Tramp will skip “dirty” for “felonious”. The politicized DoJ will handle that, with trumped-up charges, probes, seized files, arrests, “accidental” leaks - everything Putin and his puppy can throw at Biden. They are serious, deadly serious. Don’t be surprised if tragedy ensues. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/117 "2020-05-10T19:12:47Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > I think Jefferson’s 1796 campaign against then-VP John Adams called him a “hideous hermaphroditical” creature. [Correction:](https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/hideous-hermaphroditical-character-spurious-quotation) it came from a partisan supporter. Close enough, and hard to beat, though invective is WWW-supercharged now. For fun, see [9 Insults That Make the Presidential Campaign Seem Civilized](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-presidential-campaigns-getting-nastier-not-really/bastard-brat-of-a-scotch-pedler) (Merriam-Webster). > > I fear Team Tramp will skip “dirty” for “felonious”. The politicized DoJ will handle that, with trumped-up charges, probes, seized files, arrests, “accidental” leaks - everything Putin and his puppy can throw at Biden. They are serious, deadly serious. Don’t be surprised if tragedy ensues. Indeed. People don’t realize how much dirtier politics was in bygone days. I think Chump is going to try to outdo it though. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/118 "2020-05-14T00:44:02Z")
> **[Woman who accused Fauci of sex assault now says Trump supporters paid her to lie](https://www.salon.com/2020/05/07/woman-who-accused-dr-anthony-fauci-of-sexual-assault-now-claims-trump-supporters-paid-her-to-lie_partner/?fbclid=IwAR2W61z9_k2NVwH-Sw316MmYc1_VRQljWOm2Tk5kvviBfS1_btireno0cM8)** > > A woman who had accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of sexual assault now claims she was paid to lie about the public health expert by a pair of President Donald Trump's supporters.The woman says right-wing provocateur Jacob Wohl and his frequent accomplice... \*Woman who had accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of sexual assault now claims she was paid to lie about the public health expert by a pair of President Donald Trump’s supporters. The woman says right-wing provocateur Jacob Wohl and his frequent accomplice Jack Burkman persuaded her to cast Fauci as the assailant using details from an actual sexual assault she survived just after high school, and they paid her to do it, reported Reason\*. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/119 "2020-05-14T02:28:24Z")
Wow. I am disgusted, but I can’t say as I am completely surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/120 "2020-05-15T09:13:58Z")
> **['I wouldn't vote for me if I believed Tara Reade': Biden says about sexual...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/i-wouldn-t-vote-me-if-i-believed-tara-read-n1207516)** > > The former vice president said he didn’t remember Reade, who worked for him for less than a year in 1993, two decades into Biden’s 36-year Senate tenure. Biden says don’t vote for him if you believe Tara Reade. Who are you thinking to replace Biden at the convention? Can any Democrat governors poke their heads above the piles of corpses in their state? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=7)