# Joe Biden assault accusation part 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366 "2020-05-07T23:21:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/121 "2020-05-15T12:50:41Z")
[PBS NewsHour](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-74-former-biden-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations) tracked down and interviewed 74 former Biden staffers: > [@](#): > > The PBS NewsHour spoke with 74 former Biden staffers, of whom 62 were women, in order to get a broader picture of his behavior toward women over the course of his career, how they see the new allegation, and whether there was evidence of a larger pattern. > > None of the people interviewed said that they had experienced sexual harassment, assault or misconduct by Biden. All said they never heard any rumors or allegations of Biden engaging in sexual misconduct, until the recent assault allegation made by Tara Reade. Former staffers said they believed Reade should be heard, and acknowledged that their experiences do not disprove her accusation. Most people didn’t remember Reade, those who did remembered her poor job performance leading to her dismissal and question her account of being asked to serve drinks. The article also notes that, while Biden did use the gym in the Capitol, his route to and from the gym was well known and _“A recent walk through that area showed the subway tunnel contains no out-of-view areas, like an alcove”_ as Reade claims she was assaulted in. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/122 "2020-05-15T21:04:29Z")
A Politico article has come into contact with numerous people in California who report that Reade was, in effect, a lying deadbeat, forever hard up for money and coming up with excuses not to pay rent. [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771) > [@](#): > > This lack of money was hugely problematic for her, she was always on the ropes in that way.” > > Reade had spoken highly of Biden, the former boss who employed her as a staff assistant from late 1992 to August 1993, and never mentioned assault or harassment, Wrye recalls. But what Wrye remembers most is that by the time Reade left their property and moved on, Wrye felt burned. > > After her husband suffered a brain injury that forced the couple to sell the property, Wrye said, Reade turned on them. > > “She became really difficult,” Wrye said. “She said, ‘You’re going to have to pay me to get me to leave.’” There’s more. And yes, I obviously take back my earlier musings about the possibility that she might have been inappropriately pinched or whatever. Reade’s a scam artist, it would seem. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/123 "2020-05-15T21:13:25Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > A Politico article has come into contact with numerous people in California who report that Reade was, in effect, a lying deadbeat, forever hard up for money and coming up with excuses not to pay rent. > > [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771) > > There’s more. > > And yes, I obviously take back my earlier musings about the possibility that she might have been inappropriately pinched or whatever. > > Reade’s a scam artist, it would seem. And the fact that republican Operatives Jacob Wohl and his frequent accomplice Jack Burkman are writing checks to get women to lie… doesn’t look good. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/124 "2020-05-15T23:07:37Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > A Politico article has come into contact with numerous people in California who report that Reade was, in effect, a lying deadbeat, forever hard up for money and coming up with excuses not to pay rent. > > [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771) > > There’s more. > > And yes, I obviously take back my earlier musings about the possibility that she might have been inappropriately pinched or whatever. > > Reade’s a scam artist, it would seem. I read that article in full and let me say "Holy Shit! . Look, you can get complaints about anyone, but the pattern there is highly suspicious and damning. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/125 "2020-05-15T23:57:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > A Politico article has come into contact with numerous people in California who report that Reade was, in effect, a lying deadbeat, forever hard up for money and coming up with excuses not to pay rent. > > [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771) > > There’s more. > > And yes, I obviously take back my earlier musings about the possibility that she might have been inappropriately pinched or whatever. > > Reade’s a scam artist, it would seem. It amazes me that she apparently thought she could get away with this. Or maybe she just wanted the payoff, but _ **somebody** _ was sure dumb enough to think that this could get real traction. I can only think of one individual (colloquially sometimes referred to as “Individual 1”) who could be that dumb. Next up: Fox News declares Tara Reade’s allegations to be now proven to be indisputably true. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/126 "2020-05-16T00:33:35Z")
Well if her ex landlords say she’s a fake rape victim I guess that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/127 "2020-05-16T01:20:40Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Well if her ex landlords say she’s a fake rape victim I guess that’s it. Did you read the article? ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/128 "2020-05-16T01:35:46Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Did you read the article? Yeah it wasn’t “she dressed provocatively” it was the other one. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/129 "2020-05-16T02:53:38Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Did you read the article? Yes. But I doubt the reporter, even though she is good, had the time to search as carefully for negative information from past acquaintances and friends of the people who said those terrible things about Tara Reade. Maybe every last one has skeletons in their closet. A lot of us do. I do NOT think, for a minute, that Joe Biden raped a woman anywhere, let alone in a public hallway. That’s because evidence, for that extraordinary claim, is lacking. And the wisdom of the expired stature of limitations tells me it is too late to be developed. But if Joe is a rapist, he quite possibly only tries it with women who live in their own glass houses – like Tara Reade. Character assassination without physical evidence, or at least multiple first-hand witnesses to the act itself, leads to nothing good. It’s easy for strangers to say that women should come forward no matter what, but their real personal friends might have different advice. Does this mean a large fraction of rapists will get away with it? Yes. It’s part of the tragedy of human existence. It’s not Joe Biden’s fault he’s more hopeful, and less willing to accept this tragedy, than I am. In a way, it’s admirable. So I’m not going to call him a hypocrite for having bought into believe-women. And it’s certainly not Joe’s fault that his accuser makes enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/130 "2020-05-16T03:22:35Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It amazes me that she apparently thought she could get away with this. Or maybe she just wanted the payoff, but _ **somebody** _ was sure dumb enough to think that this could get real traction. I can only think of one individual (colloquially sometimes referred to as “Individual 1”) who could be that dumb. > > Next up: Fox News declares Tara Reade’s allegations to be now proven to be indisputably true. If its all fake, the question is who is behind it? Trump? Some right wing organization? Putin? Some other actor? We need investigations into that too if these allegations fall apart. If right wing extremists or foreign actors are able to just offer someone a 6 figure check to have this happen, it needs to be published. Reade seems to have a long history of money problems. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/131 "2020-05-16T03:36:54Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Well if her ex landlords say she’s a fake rape victim I guess that’s it. According to the article, she has a long history of money problems and conning people. Both of which could play a huge role in her accusation. IF someone offered her money to make up the accusation, then thats a serious issue that needs to be looked into. Fake criminal complaints do happen. The Duke LaCrosse players can tell you that. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/132 "2020-05-16T03:44:15Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > If its all fake, the question is who is behind it? > > Trump? Some right wing organization? Putin? Some other actor? > > We need investigations into that too if these allegations fall apart. If right wing extremists or foreign actors are able to just offer someone a 6 figure check to have this happen, it needs to be published. > > Reade seems to have a long history of money problems. Well, look above. Jacob Wohl and his frequent accomplice Jack Burkman paid a woman to accuse Dr Fauci of Rape. > **[Jacob Wohl](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl)** > > Jacob Alexander Wohl (born December 12, 1997) is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and convicted felon. Wohl and lobbyist Jack Burkman have been responsible for multiple unsuccessful plots to frame public figures for fictitious sexual assaults. The pair were allegedly behind plots in October 2018 against US Special Counsel Robert Mueller, in April 2019 against 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, and in April 2020 against White House Coronavirus Task Forc... \*Jacob Wohl (born December 12, 1997 in Greater Los Angeles) is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll.[15] Wohl is known for his involvement with lobbyist and conspiracy theorist Jack Burkman in multiple plots that attempted to frame public figures for fictitious sexual assaults, including in October 2018 against U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller, in April 2019 against 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, and in April 2020 against White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Anthony Fauci.[14][16][17] Wohl has created and promulgated other false or unfounded claims and conspiracy theories, mainly against Democratic Party politicians such as Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Ilhan Omar, and Elizabeth Warren.[4][5][18][19][20] To aid his schemes, Wohl has created multiple fake private intelligence agencies, and has fabricated death threats and protests against himself.[21][22] On February 26, 2019, Twitter permanently banned Wohl for violating its rules regarding creating and operating fake accounts.[23]\* ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/133 "2020-05-16T04:00:11Z")
Yes but I’m sure there are many other right wing organizations that do that. There need to be thorough investigations into this. As was mentioned above by **Jophiel** , the PBS investigation found the hallway where she said it happened has no alcoves, and has a lot of foot traffic. So if Biden had done it, there would probably be witnesses. > **[What 74 former Biden staffers think about Tara Reade's allegations](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-74-former-biden-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations)** > > We spoke to dozens of Joe Biden’s staffers, most of whom were women, to get a broader picture of his behavior toward women throughout his career, how they see Tara Reade’s allegation and whether there was evidence of a larger pattern. > [@](#): > > The layout of that route and building has not changed. A recent walk through that area showed the subway tunnel contains no out-of-view areas, like an alcove. The remaining portion of the route includes multiple stairwells as well as corridors lined with offices. It is a main thoroughfare for senators and staffers. > > Some former staffers told the NewsHour that if Biden did assault Reade in any of these places, it would have been a brazen attack in an area with a high risk of being seen. > > “When I worked in the Senate, it was always crowded [and] packed with lobbyists, staff and tourists,” said Sheila Nix, who was Biden’s chief of staff on the 2012 presidential campaign and previously worked as chief of staff to two other Democratic senators. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/134 "2020-05-16T04:13:10Z")
We don’t “need thorough investigations” into any of this. That’s just digging deeper into the weeds. ANY findings of ANY such investigation - and I mean ANY findings WHATSOEVER - are still going to be called bullshit by the people who want to believe that Biden did this. THERE IS NO POINT. When are people going to realize? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/135 "2020-05-16T05:06:43Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > We don’t “need thorough investigations” into any of this. That’s just digging deeper into the weeds. ANY findings of ANY such investigation - and I mean ANY findings WHATSOEVER - are still going to be called bullshit by the people who want to believe that Biden did this. THERE IS NO POINT. When are people going to realize? Yeah we do. If Reade is being paid to say these things, that needs to be investigated. Who gives a fuck what Trump’s base thinks. They think Trump is a moral, intelligent person who cares about them on a personal level. They’re delusional. however if there is a domestic or international effort to bribe people into committing slander and libel, it needs to be uncovered and punished. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/136 "2020-05-16T05:08:44Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Well if her ex landlords say she’s a fake rape victim I guess that’s it. No, her ex-landlords say she’s a grifter who is constantly looking to have people give her money and free stuff then ditches you with a pile of bills and damaged or stolen property. And someone who only ever spoke well of Biden and name-dropped him numerous times to get access to more services. Including with an attorney who had a background in domestic violence and who Reade hit up for free services and was turned down because the attorney didn’t see her as credible. How people want to incorporate that information into determining the validity of her recent allegations is up to them. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/137 "2020-05-16T05:35:12Z")
Obvious liar is ever more obvious. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/138 "2020-05-16T10:10:48Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Next up: Fox News declares Tara Reade’s allegations to be now proven to be indisputably true. Nah, they’ll just run with another shiny object - look, _Obamagate!_ - and let Reade drop into the memory hole. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/139 "2020-05-16T11:51:34Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > We don’t “need thorough investigations” into any of this. That’s just digging deeper into the weeds. ANY findings of ANY such investigation - and I mean ANY findings WHATSOEVER - are still going to be called bullshit by the people who want to believe that Biden did this. THERE IS NO POINT. When are people going to realize? Actually, I’m finding these investigations very helpful and useful. It’s a good and positive thing when these, and any allegations, are thoroughly investigated. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/140 "2020-05-16T13:42:55Z")
Being a shitty tenant doesn’t make you a liar about sexual assault, this is just getting weird. Animals crap on floors owned by people who rent to people who were sexually assaulted who leave without paying rent. Just admit you don’t know what happened and stop being mean. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=8)