# Joe Biden assault accusation part 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366 "2020-05-07T23:21:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/161 "2020-05-19T12:40:11Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > That’s OK. I believe both Biden and his investigators. Your opinion is actually irrelevant to me. This breeds the hypocrisy that gets thrown the way of the Democrats. Between Wesley’s I don’t care, I’m voting for him anyway and your I don’t care, reality means little to me, the fact of the matter is that it’s A-OK when YOUR guy but oh hell no when it’s the other guy. Stinky. When speaking about sexual harassment, there is no but my guy did it less. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/162 "2020-05-19T12:57:37Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > When speaking about sexual harassment, there is no but my guy did it less. Actually, yes, there is. Biden was never accused of statutory rape. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/163 "2020-05-19T13:10:31Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Actually, yes, there is. Biden was never accused of statutory rape. It matters not. Either he is guilty or he is not. Both of them should be unfit for public office. But especially Biden since he hitched his horse, wagon, house, and cars to the #metoo movement. And don’t let iiandyiii lead you down a false trail, BELIEF was very clearly the first step in that movement. Any stance less than that is hypocritical. All I see in this thread is deflection, misdirection and disbelief. Where was any of this when it wasn’t your guy under the microscope? I look forward to hearing all about how it was different, how the people are different, how the stories are different. You guys haven’t called her a slut yet but this is still slut shaming, just using different vocabulary words. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/164 "2020-05-19T13:14:00Z")
There should be NO person or people in this thread saying “well, even if he did it, I’m going to vote for him anyways”, but that is almost all it is. Hypocrites all. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/165 "2020-05-19T13:31:36Z")
Trump is clearly _more_ unfit for public office so Biden is the only reasonable choice to get him out. Lesser of two evils and all that with Trump so low that he’s below the bottom of the barrel. This is not a popularity contest, except to narcissists like Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/166 "2020-05-19T13:37:59Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > There should be NO person or people in this thread saying “well, even if he did it, I’m going to vote for him anyways”, but that is almost all it is. > > Hypocrites all. Congratulations, Kearsen1. You’ve just managed to insult maybe 25 people in this thread at once. While I don’t take issue with your position, I do mind your making accusations and pejorative statements vs other posters. I’m giving you a warning and you should really either dial it back, reword it or take it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/167 "2020-05-19T13:46:21Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > It matters not. Either he is guilty or he is not. Both of them should be unfit for public office. But especially Biden since he hitched his horse, wagon, house, and cars to the #metoo movement. And don’t let iiandyiii lead you down a false trail, BELIEF was very clearly the first step in that movement. > > Any stance less than that is hypocritical. > > All I see in this thread is deflection, misdirection and disbelief. > > Where was any of this when it wasn’t your guy under the microscope? > > I look forward to hearing all about how it was different, how the people are different, how the stories are different. > You guys haven’t called her a slut yet but this is still slut shaming, just using different vocabulary words. Always fun to see men tell others how #MeToo is and should be. Care to pontificate on the experiences and challenges of other groups of hundreds of millions of whom you have zero personal experience as a part? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/168 "2020-05-19T14:04:58Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > And don’t let iiandyiii lead you down a false trail, BELIEF was very clearly the first step in that movement. Indeed…[“Believe Women”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women) is actually a slogan of the #MeToo movement. Clearly you completely misunderstand it though. Only the fringiest of people will say you just believe any accusation a woman says. Nearly all #MeToo adherents will tell you it means the accusation should always be taken seriously and dutifully investigated. That’s it. Yet you seem to be under the impression that any accusation by a woman is all it takes. You could not be more wrong about that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/169 "2020-05-19T14:54:05Z")
The hashtag was #BelieveWomen because #TakeAllAllegationsSeriouslyAndRefrainFromDenigratingAccusersJustForSpeakingOut was a bit too long. Maybe there could have been a better hashtag, but no one significant has ever said “all women must be believed without question no matter what they say”. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/170 "2020-05-19T15:01:27Z")
As author Douglas Adams so correctly put it in his Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy series… Arthur: “Why don’t people get rid of the lizards?” Ford: “It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want." Seriously, we cannot do any better than this? Really? Trump and Biden are the best we can put forward as candidates to be our highest leader?! Can we please for once just not vote for a lizard? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/171 "2020-05-19T15:08:26Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > As author Douglas Adams so correctly put it in his Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy series… > Arthur: “Why don’t people get rid of the lizards?” > Ford: “It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want." > > Seriously, we cannot do any better than this? Really? Trump and Biden are the best we can put forward as candidates to be our highest leader?! Can we please for once just not vote for a lizard? What 2008 & 2012 weren’t good enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/172 "2020-05-19T15:26:44Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > Seriously, we cannot do any better than this? Really? Trump and Biden are the best we can put forward as candidates to be our highest leader?! Can we please for once just not vote for a lizard? As Bill James - noted baseball analyst and as much of a patron saint of Sabermetrics as anyone, once wrote (I paraphrase) back in 1988… “We have a former President of Yale, a world-class heart surgeon and the former President of Columbia Pictures running major league baseball but we get Bush and Dukakis as Presidential candidates? What the hell, America?” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/173 "2020-05-19T15:33:25Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > As Bill James - noted baseball analyst and as much of a patron saint of Sabermetrics as anyone, once wrote (I paraphrase) back in 1988… > > “We have a former President of Yale, a world-class heart surgeon and the former President of Columbia Pictures running major league baseball but we get Bush and Dukakis as Presidential candidates? What the hell, America?” _“It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it… anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”_ ~Douglas Adams ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/174 "2020-05-19T15:46:06Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You apparently haven’t read the investigative reporting that we’ve taken the time to present to skeptics such as yourself. If you’re going to be so cynical that you automatically dismiss everything out of hand, then that brings you closer to troll territory. You’re not adding anything new here. Asahi, this could easily be read as an accusation of trolling. Never do this sort of thing again. I hope that’s clear. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/175 "2020-05-19T15:54:13Z")
1988 seems an odd election to pick. Two very qualified candidates. I hate the incessant, ‘Is this the best we can do?’ That’s a lazy whine. There’s lots of aspects involved in a job in elected office. Sometimes the very best and brightest would be horrible elected officials. Yeah, Trump is awful. But he won. He had a very qualified opponent in 2016 and has one again in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/176 "2020-05-19T16:08:39Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > As Bill James - noted baseball analyst and as much of a patron saint of Sabermetrics as anyone, once wrote (I paraphrase) back in 1988… > > “We have a former President of Yale, a world-class heart surgeon and the former President of Columbia Pictures running major league baseball but we get Bush and Dukakis as Presidential candidates? What the hell, America?” OTOH, baseball seriously considered making Bush’s son their Commissioner (which may have ended up better for the country as a whole if they did). ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/177 "2020-05-19T16:13:17Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > 1988 seems an odd election to pick. Two very qualified candidates. I hate the incessant, ‘Is this the best we can do?’ That’s a lazy whine. There’s lots of aspects involved in a job in elected office. Sometimes the very best and brightest would be horrible elected officials. In fact there is a book about that :D. Yes, in 1988, 1992, 2008, and 2012 you had two candidates who were generally well thought of and had popularity in their respective parties (at least until some gaffes during the general campaign - such as Dukakis’ tank picture or Romney’s 47% comment). Even in 2000 you had elements of that. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/178 "2020-05-19T16:34:08Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > In fact there is a book about that :D. And an excellent one. > **[What It Takes: The Way to the White House - Kindle edition by Cramer, Richard...](https://www.amazon.com/What-Takes-Way-White-House-ebook/dp/B005EXHAVK)** > > What It Takes: The Way to the White House - Kindle edition by Cramer, Richard Ben. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading What It Takes: The... ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/179 "2020-05-19T16:57:21Z")
In the Kavanaugh case, I did in fact consider the possibility that the main witness against Kavanaugh was lying. But it didn’t matter, because if Kavanaugh were lying to manufacture evidence against himself, it still pointed to the conclusion that he was unfit for high office. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366/180 "2020-05-19T17:26:05Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > I’d be interested to know where all this trenchant skepticism was during the Kavanaugh hearings… My trenchant skepticism was focused on Kavanaugh’s qualifications (or lack thereof) and his history as a partisan hack. Thanks for asking, **UM**! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-assault-accusation-part-2/853366.md?page=10)