# Joe Biden runs for president. How screwed is Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 3, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899 "2015-08-03T17:48:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/61 "2015-08-04T17:27:10Z")
Sitting VPs generally wait longer to get started. They can afford to. If he gets in in September he’ll be just fine. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/62 "2015-08-04T17:34:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sitting VPs generally wait longer to get started. They can afford to. If he gets in in September he’ll be just fine. The trouble is, Hillary has sucked up all the endorsements and money. If I’m Biden and want to run, I jump in a year ago. Of course, family comes first and once Beau went into decline it’s certainly understandable not to have devoted any time to it. I’m rooting for him, but realistically money talks and Hillary has it in spades. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/63 "2015-08-04T17:37:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sitting VPs generally wait longer to get started. They can afford to. If he gets in in September he’ll be just fine. I’m not taking your word for it. Why are you making baseless predictions? Where does this stuff come from? Maybe Biden’s thinking about it, but I see no evidence that he’s close to actually running. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/64 "2015-08-04T17:54:15Z")
Just a thing about “honest and trustworthy”: this country voted for Tricky Dick twice and his party nominated him 3 times. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/65 "2015-08-04T18:00:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sitting VPs generally wait longer to get started. Who are you thinking of? And, assuming you can tell us, did they face a favored strong opponent for their nomination? > [@](#): > > If he gets in in September he’ll be just fine. Hope is eternal. Nothing’s going on here, people. This is a creation of a small community of reporters with air time and column inches to fill, all of whom are sick of Trump already. If Biden had any interest at all, he’d have done a little more than jack about it so far. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/66 "2015-08-04T18:11:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Um, honesty? Being able to relate to regular folks? I really hate this Republican trope. The Real America. Real Americans. Regular Folk. Presumably they’re not talking about me, since I dare to live on a coast and have a University education. Why does that make me less of a "real american’? I’m not a regular folk? I work, raise my kids, donate to charity, volunteer where I can, have friends, have hobbies etc etc. So many often Republicans resort to this (Chris Christie just recently). What makes people different than me the Real Americans and the Regular Folk? Drives me nuts. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/67 "2015-08-04T18:17:48Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I really hate this Republican trope. The Real America. Real Americans. Regular Folk. The common clay … ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/68 "2015-08-04T18:44:23Z")
1. Biden’s not running right now. 2. He has not done the least thing to prepare for running. No staff, no fundraising, no exploratory committee, no nothing. 3. The time has long passed when one could start from zero at this point in the cycle and have a decent chance of competing. 4. There’s a 'Sanders=Gene McCarthy" line of BS these days. Well, suppose it’s true. Who is the closest thing the Dems have to Bobby Kennedy these days? That would be Hillary. 5. Barring some major disaster befalling Hillary (e.g. being incapacitated by a stroke), Biden’s not gonna run. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/69 "2015-08-04T19:23:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The common clay … That’s what I was thinking too. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/70 "2015-08-04T19:31:28Z")
Lot of concern trolling over Hillary from the Republicans. Omigod, she’s gonna implode any day now due to The Scandal, whatever that scandal is today. She’s pre-disastered for scandals. There is no scandal that can touch her. Nobody is truly concerned over her emails, nobody is truly concerned over Benghazi, nobody is concerned over whatever else they’re trying to peddle on Fox. Even the people on Fox don’t care about the scandals, they care about Hillary. And people claiming to be Clinton loyalists who spout all kinds of bizarre stuff? Not exactly believable. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/71 "2015-08-04T20:04:37Z")
Concern trolling means we care about Democrats. For me at least, I’m insulted that anyone would think that someone who 57% of the public thinks isn’t honest is going to be foisted on us as a candidate by the same people that think we are the ones who deny reality. Clinton cannot win unless the Republicans nominate someone totally unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/72 "2015-08-04T20:08:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Concern trolling means we care about Democrats. Exactly the opposite. You could look it up. > [@](#): > > Clinton cannot win unless the Republicans nominate someone totally unacceptable. Just as the polls show? Oh, right, they’re all skewed. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/73 "2015-08-04T20:08:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton cannot win unless the Republicans nominate someone totally unacceptable. This sounds like a solid prediction we can subsequently make fun of you for, but it would be helpful if you would clarify whether Walker, Bush, Christie or Kasich count as “totally unacceptable.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/74 "2015-08-04T20:10:23Z")
If they lose, they \*must \*have been, right? \*\*adaher \*\*can’t be wrong about this one. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/75 "2015-08-04T20:21:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Concern trolling means we care about Democrats. For me at least, I’m insulted that anyone would think that someone who 57% of the public thinks isn’t honest is going to be foisted on us as a candidate by the same people that think we are the ones who deny reality. > > Clinton cannot win unless the Republicans nominate someone totally unacceptable. then why is she beating [ALL](http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16gen.htm) the Republican candidates? The Quinnipiac polls are all outliers in the last few weeks, but other polls show the truth. Quinnipiac polls are peddled by a 3rd rate party school looking for attention bc its USNWR rating cannot go up. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/76 "2015-08-04T20:38:23Z")
I’m wondering, having no reliable means of testing, how much of Hillary’s reputation for dishonesty is due to the parade of empty scandals she has been subjected to? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/77 "2015-08-04T21:17:21Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > That’s what I was thinking too. I’m missing the reference. Help an elitist snob out? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/78 "2015-08-04T21:24:36Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I’m missing the reference. Help an elitist snob out? 🙂 It’s a “Blazing Saddles” reference. “You know… morons.” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/79 "2015-08-04T21:44:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’m wondering, having no reliable means of testing, how much of Hillary’s reputation for dishonesty is due to the parade of empty scandals she has been subjected to? YOu should call all the liberal op-ed writers then, because even they admit she’s her own worst enemy. She won’t talk to the press because she can’t answer their questions. Doesn’t get much simpler than that. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-biden-runs-for-president-how-screwed-is-hillary/726899/80 "2015-08-04T21:46:28Z")
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