I’m a Democrat, and if Biden runs I’ll happily vote for him in the Ohio primary. If he doesn’t, I’ll happily vote for Sanders.
That said, barring a catastrophe, I expect Clinton to win the nomination. Mind you, that’s what I would have said this time in 2007. We’ll see.
I think it’s true that Hilary is popular among solid Democrat voters - but only with already solid-Dems. And I also think that most of those voters would be just as happy with Biden, if he decides to make it a racer.
OTOH, non-solid Democratic voters* are mostly turned off by Hilary. Those people who don’t want to vote Republican but still can’t bring themselves to vote for a Clinton - those people will have no real objection to voting for Joe Biden.
And sadly, yes, the fact that he’s male, white and of a certain age, will win him votes that Hilary can’t get. It’s dumb, but there it is.
I think Biden has a lot of ground to make up but I don’t think Hilary’s got this on lock. I think his base is potentially bigger than hers, despite her high-profile.
I would vote for Biden if he looks more electable next spring.
How does Biden differentiate himself from Hillary? How much money is he able to raise relative to her?
I don’t see the point in his running. I would vote for him as the nominee, but probably not in a primary.
ETA: It sounded like I was linking those two thoughts when I intended them to be separate.
I trust Joe Biden, within the confines of the species “politician”. I would be willing to bet that if he saw his candidacy as ensuring a Republican win, he would drop it. And whatever policy differences between the two of them should be debated, and debated openly. Totally healthy.
Did I mention respectfully? That too. A polite and cordial, yet sincere disagreement to compare to the Steel Cage Rabid Clown Death Match of the Republican primaries?
Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if you could just give me this sign…
Biden has been such a non-entity for 8 years that him being VP won’t help him much. Clinton would mp the floor with him.
Also the Obama years, while decent, haven’t been memorable enough for him to ride on Obama’s coat tails the way Gore rode on Bill Clinton’s in 2000.
As Dseid pointed out, Biden wasn’t a candidate that got much attention or support in his last two runs. Rightly or wrongly, has also a reputation for spouting off and getting himself in trouble.When he, like every candidate, inevitably says something that can be spun in a controversial sense he’ll have a harder time walking away from the incident. Some voters will have the bias confirmed and walk away. Publicity for 8 years as VP, where the role is limited, probably helps some but it’s still an uphill fight.
I think he screws Sanders more. Not because he pulls more voters from Sanders than Cinton, because I expect the opposite. The problem is Sanders needs those voters from the center of the party who want an option to Clinton. Biden pulling them away, brings Clinton closer to the rest of the field. It splits the opposition to Clinton. Sanders needs those votes to get upward movement.
Really?
So in addition to:
Jeb!
we now have:
Joe?
I see Joe and Mitt somewhat in the same role. Past candidates that are senior statesman in the party hoping it falls apart and will accept the nod if the others fail to gather support. Joe perhaps more active to seek it.
Now Joe has released BOTH emails that he sent while vice-president. Clever little dig at Hillary, I must say.
If Barack Hussein Obama wants to stab the Clintons in the back and send Biden in, I’d take Trump over Biden if he stole Hillary’s nomination, just to spite Obama. I’ll never forgive him for what he did to the Clintons in 2008. I let it go in 2008 and 2012, as did other Clintonites, with the assumption that Hillary would be afforded her due in 2016.
It would be a great way to divide the party too. I think a lot of Clinton donors and supporters feel similar to what I do. Notice how Biden has no standing in the polls. Hillary had every right to 2008. Obama used recycled GOP talking points against her back then, made her into a “racist,” etc. It took a lot to move the party into Unity. It’d be much easier to divide it, it thats what Obama wants.
Oh come on. Obama shouldn’t have run in 2008 because it was Hillary’s turn?
Hillary had achieved things. All Obama did to “earn” the nomination was was play the race card and bring out the far-left Clinton-hater types.
What race card? He didn’t do anything to Hillary, she lost because she wasn’t as good a candidate as he was. And what has Hillary ever achieved in her entire privileged life?
Maybe it could help her? He could be a lightning rod for criticism that would have been directed at her earlier on than it would have been without him in the picture.
Hillary grew up in a middle class family as did Bill, both unlike the Bushes, the Chafees, the Kerrys, and the Gores, and the Romneys of course too. Also, she didn’t go to prep school like Obama. She got into Yale and Wellesley on merit, not legacy, or affirmative action as Obama probably did with Columbia and Harvard. She also was a successful lawyer in Arkansas, Obama was just an ivory tower academic and “community organizer,” whatever the fuck that is.
Obama’s gang spun Bill’s remark about his fairy tale Iraq stance as racism, her crying in New Hampshire racism, the Jesse Jackson remark too.
if I seem vitriolic, maybe I represent what Biden will and must face if he rubs his nose into this primary.
Oh! I forget Barack Obama grew up on Park Ave. and never earned anything on his own. You’re right, life was so much easier for Barack Obama.
Since graduating from college Hillary achieved being First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of the United States, a US Senator who voted for the war in Iraq, and then extorted the Secretary of State position out of Obama so she wouldn’t poison the race. Then as Secretary of State she hasn’t done a thing worth mentioning, just as before.
Yeah, you represent what sank Hillary the last time. She ran the negative campaign against Obama, if she does that against Sanders or Biden we’re going to end up with a Republican in the White House.
The Clintons made the Democratic Party into what it is today, and thus command honour and respect, but then again the far-left doesn’t believe in respect for heritage. Clearly, its the non-Clinton wing of the party which got rid of Jefferson-Jackson. The Clintons ended a 20 year period in which the Democratic Party won one time, and started one in which the GOP has won the popular vote one time (2000 was a statistical anomaly: pop and EV move in tandem 12 in 13 trials).
From 1968-1988, IL, NM, CA, NJ, VT, and NH went Republican 6 out of 6 times, MI, DE, ME 5 out of 6 times, PA, CT, ME, MD 4 out of 6 times. Those states alone add up to 161 EVs. These states (except NH in 2000 and NM in 2004) have all gone Democrat 6 for 6 since Bill and Hillary Clinton came along, thru thick and thin, 2 and 3 way races alike. Former strong GOP states from 68-88, like OH, FL, NV are now hard for the GOP to win and have been since 1992. The Clintons did this because they took welfare and tough-on-crime away as national election issues: you never hear those two as the hot button topics as they were from 1968-1988, which allowed a guy like Obama to get close to the presidency.
I get it now, the Clintons are royalty. How dare commoners run against them.
This has nothing to do with Joe Biden entering the race. Try to stick to the subject.
One cannot have a respectable future without respect for heritage. And the fact is I’m not the only person who would be bitter about Biden crashing Hillary’s nomination. Plus, he does kind of have no money or organization.
He also has no swing states. The states regional to his, like MD, DE, PA are among those states that I mentioned which are straight Dem since 1992 (the Clintons). Hillary can win AZ (Bill not only did in 1996, but exit polls indicated he still woulda won it sans 3rd parties; however the whole Perot-spoiler myth has been debunked elsewhere too but Obama’s surrogates used it in 2008 anyway and never apologized for demeaning the Clintons’ resurrection of the party), Missouri (which Bill won twice by wide margins), WV (also won by Bill twice by wide margins), and possible Arkansas, if not make it competitive enough to draw GOP money there, same with Kentucky. He’s also another white male, Hillary would be the first woman president. I don’t vote on that, but many primary voters might. Also, she has been known to be friendlier to the Jewish State of Israel and tougher against the Jihadist Theocracy of Iran than Obama and his ilk. Yet she’s being nice and loyal and supporting the unpopular deal for which Obama and Biden owe her. A deal which is likely to get voted down, and hurts the Dem party given how Israel still commands large pluralities or majorities of support depending on the question.