# Joe Biden's in **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042 "2019-04-25T16:13:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/281 "2019-06-04T12:14:13Z")
The coincidence is that she obviously was interviewing for the job when the NY Times published the article. Do they not have ethic guidelines about this? If I were to announce to my newspaper bosses that: 1. I’m interviewing for the Head of PR at Walmart, and 2. I’m co-authoring an article about how the son of a Presidential candidate maybe profited from his relationship with Eddie Lambert of Sears … should I not be yanked off the story for potential conflict of interest issues? Would I, as the ethics ombudsman (or whatever) at the NY Times, be remiss if I weren’t concerned that the article was biased due to the nature of the new job I was looking for? The woman admitted to beating 4k candidates. She didn’t roll in between rushes and fill out a 2-page app when the manager was available. This was in the works prior to the article being published, and yet the NY Times never saw fit to let the readership know that one of the authors had a financial stake in pleasing Ukrainian officials, even ones about to be elected. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/282 "2019-06-04T12:42:46Z")
Well, yes she probably should have been yanked from the story but that is a different matter. It’s not even much of a “hit piece”, it’s background on a story Trump allies have been pushing already. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/283 "2019-06-05T20:02:23Z")
Biden posted some impressive numbers in a new Quinnipiac poll of Texas. He was the only one with a clear lead over Trump, something not even Beto or Castro can claim: [Poll Results | Quinnipiac University Poll](https://poll.qu.edu/texas/release-detail?ReleaseID=2625) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/284 "2019-06-05T21:02:59Z")
At the risk of sounding like Captain Obvious, we’ll know a lot more about Biden’s strength and durability toward the end of summer. My hunch (my fear?) is that Biden will turn in some weak debate performances and he’ll start to fall back in with the other front-runners. My hunch is that if anyone has his own lane it’s Bernie Sanders. If Biden slips up, I suspect that voters will consider other candidates like Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, and Elizabeth Warren. However, Sanders is the one candidate who really has a committed voting base. Other candidates may have co-opted some of his platform, but he’s selling political revolution, and he comes across as authentic. My other hunch is that Pete Buttigieg might be a bit stronger than people realize at the moment. Just to be clear, I’m not predicting President Buttigieg, but there is a lot of interest over this guy and he performs well on camera. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/285 "2019-06-05T21:05:02Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Biden posted some impressive numbers in a new Quinnipiac poll of Texas. He was the only one with a clear lead over Trump, something not even Beto or Castro can claim: [Poll Results | Quinnipiac University Poll](https://poll.qu.edu/texas/release-detail?ReleaseID=2625) Speaking of Beto…I think he’s dead in the water right now. He will have to do well in the debates. He’ll need some sound bytes and some enthusiasm. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/286 "2019-06-05T21:50:07Z")
Biden has a touched one of the 3rd rails for a Dem, he is still against federal abortion funding. > **[Biden’s long evolution on abortion rights still holds surprises](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-s-long-evolution-abortion-rights-still-holds-surprises-n1013846)** > > As a senator from Delaware, he once supported stripping exceptions for rape and incest from federal funding. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/287 "2019-06-05T22:25:36Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Biden has a touched one of the 3rd rails for a Dem, he is still against federal abortion funding. > > [Joe Biden's long evolution on abortion rights still holds surprises](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-s-long-evolution-abortion-rights-still-holds-surprises-n1013846) I think he’s right here. Look, it’s all about _Choice._ But when you force Right to Life to pay for abortions, you take away\* their \*choice. Let the states decide each on their own and of course allow Insurance companies- even those who cover Feds- pay for it. \*Choice. \* ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/288 "2019-06-05T22:59:56Z")
Very smart general election positioning. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/289 "2019-06-06T03:44:00Z")
[Joe Biden, Primary Donald Trump as a Republican](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx6MgBjR4K0&feature=youtu.be) ---
**Author:** ![Ronald\_Raygun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c67d28/32.png) [@Ronald\_Raygun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ronald_Raygun)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/290 "2019-06-06T08:39:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I think he’s right here. Look, it’s all about _Choice._ But when you force Right to Life to pay for abortions, you take away\* their \*choice. > > Let the states decide each on their own and of course allow Insurance companies- even those who cover Feds- pay for it. \*Choice. \* My taxes pay for a bunch of things that I don’t morally agree with. I was going to bring up the death penalty as an example, but apparently Biden supports capital punishment. Why do we care about this dude, again? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/291 "2019-06-06T10:35:43Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > [Joe Biden, Primary Donald Trump as a Republican](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx6MgBjR4K0&feature=youtu.be) It’s interesting: what’s mentioned there is apparently meant to show Biden as naïve; that he just doesn’t get it; that he’s being _sincere_ as a guy who could get GOP votes. And all of this is leveled at him as criticism. But say a cynic saw the same stuff and said, “I don’t think he’s naïve; I think he’s acting. I think _he_ thinks ‘anti-Trump’ is enough to unite Dems behind the nominee; and, as he’s already ahead in the polls, he figures he just needs to appeal to other voters in the general. So he talks like a business-friendly moderate who thinks both sides will compromise in a reach across the aisle; but he’s _disingenuous,_ since he couldn’t possibly be stupid enough to actually believe it. He’s presumbly doing it because he thinks it’s sensible to give that wrong impression.” Which of those would be a more negative view of Biden? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/292 "2019-06-06T16:01:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I think he’s right here. Look, it’s all about _Choice._ But when you force Right to Life to pay for abortions, you take away\* their \*choice. > > Let the states decide each on their own and of course allow Insurance companies- even those who cover Feds- pay for it. \*Choice. \* Yes, and when you allow crazy people to buy assault weapons, you take away my choice to not get shot. Yet you seem perfectly OK with denying me the right to make that choice. This means he is running to the right of every Democratic candidate since _at least_ Bill Clinton, possibly earlier. Fuck. This. Guy. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/293 "2019-06-06T16:07:23Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Yes, and when you allow crazy people to buy assault weapons, you take away my choice to not get shot. Yet you seem perfectly OK with denying me the right to make that choice. > > This means he is running to the right of every Democratic candidate since _at least_ Bill Clinton, possibly earlier. > > Fuck. This. Guy. Politically, though, it makes sense. I think the reality for the foreseeable future is that states that want to prohibit abortion are going to find a way to do so. It’s up to people to decide if they want to live in these states. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/294 "2019-06-06T16:19:47Z")
This is the kind of stuff he better quit doing: > **[Joe Biden just had the worst week of his 2020 campaign](https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-worst-week-2020-campaign-2019-6)** > > It wouldn't be hyperbolic to say the past few days have been the worst of former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign. "During a campaign event in New Hampshire, the former vice president joked — again — about touching women after a female supporter leaned in to whisper in his ear. “I want the press to know, she pulled me close,” Biden said, as the older, almost entirely white crowd laughed and applauded. The comment drew immediate backlash from feminists and left-leaning progressives, many of whom took issue with Biden’s cavalier attitude toward the allegations against him in lieu of a direct apology." I don’t see why his approval numbers are so high and I’d very much prefer Warren or Pete over him. I don’t dislike him. But he should just go back home. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/295 "2019-06-06T16:46:46Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … My hunch is that if anyone has his own lane it’s Bernie Sanders. If Biden slips up, I suspect that voters will consider other candidates like Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, and Elizabeth Warren. However, Sanders is the one candidate who really has a committed voting base. Other candidates may have co-opted some of his platform, but he’s selling political revolution, and he comes across as authentic. … [Today’s 538](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-has-the-highest-floor-and-its-pretty-damn-low/) is on that point. > [@](#): > > … Sanders has a relatively high floor of support. Among Democrats who were considering only one candidate, 28 percent were considering only Sanders, and 27 percent were considering only Biden. Everyone else was in the single digits on this question. > > Here’s the catch, though: Only 28 percent of Democrats fell into the category of considering only one candidate. (By comparison, 67 percent are still considering multiple candidates, and 5 percent aren’t considering any current candidates.) So Sanders isn’t getting 28 percent of 100 percent — he’s getting 28 percent of 28 percent. That means just 8 percent of the overall Democratic electorate truly falls into the “Bernie or bust” category. > > So while Sanders might have a slightly higher floor than other candidates — about half of the voters who currently prefer Sanders are only considering Sanders — it’s still pretty low in the broader scheme of things. About two-thirds of Democratic voters are still up for grabs, and they’re probably going to take their time to make a decision. … ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/296 "2019-06-06T17:54:25Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Yes, and when you allow crazy people to buy assault weapons, you take away my choice to not get shot. Yet you seem perfectly OK with denying me the right to make that choice… What are you babbling about? Biden is in favor of a assault weapons ban. And insane people have been barred from buying guns for decades. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/297 "2019-06-06T18:01:56Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > This is the kind of stuff he better quit doing: > > [Joe Biden Just Had the Worst Week of His 2020 Campaign](https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-worst-week-2020-campaign-2019-6) > > "During a campaign event in New Hampshire, the former vice president joked — again — about touching women after a female supporter leaned in to whisper in his ear. > > “I want the press to know, she pulled me close,” Biden said, as the older, almost entirely white crowd laughed and applauded. The comment drew immediate backlash from feminists and left-leaning progressives, many of whom took issue with Biden’s cavalier attitude toward the allegations against him in lieu of a direct apology." > > I don’t see why his approval numbers are so high and I’d very much prefer Warren or Pete over him. > > I don’t dislike him. But he should just go back home. Yeah, he runs the risk of being tone deaf here. Maybe less time in front of the camera isn’t a bad idea, given his history of saying cringe-worthy things in front of a live mic. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/298 "2019-06-06T18:07:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > What are you babbling about? Biden is in favor of a assault weapons ban. > > And insane people have been barred from buying guns for decades. The “you” there refers to you, not Biden. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/299 "2019-06-06T18:13:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > when you force Right to Life to pay for abortions, you take away\* their \*choice. I’ll worry about that when they complain about being made to pay for wars. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/300 "2019-06-06T18:18:26Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > The “you” there refers to you, not Biden. Oh a hijack?:rolleyes: I am not in favor of insane people buying any firearm. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=16)