# Joe Biden's in **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042 "2019-04-25T16:13:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/621 "2019-08-09T23:33:51Z")
Maybe Democratic voters are finally beginning to think more like Republicans: who the hell cares what the candidate says, just think about what he’ll do once he’s in office. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/622 "2019-08-09T23:48:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Yes, and they won’t care about this. Black voters, certainly over millennial age, are comfortable voting for paternalistic racist white candidates. It’s often been they’re only option. Biden is anything but a racist. :rolleyes: And black voters didnt vote for trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/623 "2019-08-09T23:51:51Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > As I have said before, we have several Democrats running who would be ideal nominees, and they are all polling in the low single digits. :smack: Name three. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/624 "2019-08-09T23:52:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Maybe Democratic voters are finally beginning to think more like Republicans: who the hell cares what the candidate says, just think about what he’ll do once he’s in office. I would happily vote for Joe if he’s the nominee. I think he’s a good guy who means well and has generally done a lot more good than negative. But it’s only the negatives being pointed out and a lot of these are being dissected from his left. Trump and the MAGA people will go after everyone shamelessly. These are the people who spun racist “send her back” rhetoric to making out they are the victims and the democrats are the racists. Whoever is the nominee needs to be prepared for despicable attacks on themselves and their family. My worry is he will be battered and bruised by the time he needs to get in general election mode. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/625 "2019-08-09T23:54:05Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > I think that’s part of the criticism of him from his left. He’ll be elected, _then what?_ > > Because while a return to normalcy appeals to a lot of the electorate, the question is does normalcy return the moment Biden is sworn in? Just removing Trump is the goal and not necessarily about progressive policy when the Republicans are very happy moving further and further extreme in their policy. > > It’s a question his critics from the left want to know because they don’t buy the electability argument. And I guess part of the reason is having gone from the first Black man to be on the top of the ticket (and elected), and the first woman to be on the top of the ticket, having an old white man is not a return to normalcy pre-Trump. It is normalcy pre-Obama. I question the assumptions implicit here. First, I don’t know how many Democrats have ‘a return to normalcy’ as their main goal or as any goal at all, really. Normalcy is gone—if it ever existed. It’s a phantom. Second, ‘now what?’ after Trump is gone is not causing anyone any angst that I can see. It’s a non-issue. Getting rid of Trump is progress in and of itself. The give-and-take, back-and-forth of the political process will go forward once we’ve defeated the monarchist fraction of the population, and reaffirmed our commitment to the Constitution. I feel as though the sentiments expressed in your post represent a sort of flailing-about to turn Biden into some sort of existential problem; I can’t see that effort succeeding. Biden is a candidate who may have the best chance of defeating Trump; at this moment of danger, more than that we do not require. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/626 "2019-08-10T00:26:08Z")
We can dissect Biden’s flaws, as well as Trump’s flaws to death. In the end, the incumbent always, always, always has a massive advantage over the challenger, even if he’s not that popular, and even when the voters aren’t entirely convinced he’s doing a good job. When voting for/against a 1st-term president, voters ask two simple questions: Am I okay? And are things so bad that we can’t wait another 4 years to fix them? People are afraid to change. Why would they change when they know things will change in 4 years anyway? That’s the thought process. Voters have to think that things are so fucked up we can’t wait another 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/627 "2019-08-10T00:33:41Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Biden is anything but a racist. :rolleyes: > > And black voters didnt vote for trump. 😕 Did I somehow imply black voters voted for Trump? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/628 "2019-08-10T02:34:19Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > I think that’s part of the criticism of him from his left. He’ll be elected, _then what?_ > > Because while a return to normalcy appeals to a lot of the electorate, the question is does normalcy return the moment Biden is sworn in? Just removing Trump is the goal and not necessarily about progressive policy when the Republicans are very happy moving further and further extreme in their policy. > > It’s a question his critics from the left want to know because they don’t buy the electability argument. And I guess part of the reason is having gone from the first Black man to be on the top of the ticket (and elected), and the first woman to be on the top of the ticket, having an old white man is not a return to normalcy pre-Trump. It is normalcy pre-Obama. I agree about “old”, but we actually need to convey that white men have not become ineligible for the Democratic presidential nomination, or we are going to be in political trouble. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Name three. I can’t narrow it down to just three, although it’s tempting to be cute and say three B’s (Booker, Beto, Bullock). Inslee is too strong to leave out. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/629 "2019-08-10T04:17:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Name three. Bullock, Booker and Beto. I want Biden to drop out and endorse Steve Bullock. I know it won’t happen for many reasons, but that’s my happy place. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/630 "2019-08-10T08:23:21Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > 😕 Did I somehow imply black voters voted for Trump? You say they vote for “racist white candidates”. I know of only one who is a candidate- trump. Thus, yes, that is exactly what you said. Unless you are implying that Biden or Bill Clinton are racists- which would be a total falsehood. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/631 "2019-08-10T08:26:44Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Bullock, Booker and Beto. > > I want Biden to drop out and endorse Steve Bullock. I know it won’t happen for many reasons, but that’s my happy place. I have never even _heard_ of Bullock. Booker has gone off the deep end with crazy radical gun control plans, and reparations. Beto is a strong possibility. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/632 "2019-08-10T09:42:13Z")
Bullock won the MT governor’s race at the same time Trump was winning the state by 20 points. Yet he is not a Joe Manchin conserva-Dem type. He is actually reasonably progressive. But he has a very “common man” way of talking without actually sounding stupid. You should check him out. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/633 "2019-08-10T17:00:50Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > In a universe in which Biden, Warren, and Sanders no longer or never existed, there would be an interesting race between some interesting candidates several of whom might be able to prove they had the stuff. > > This is not that universe. Biden and Sanders were going to play a major role in this campaign, regardless. Six months ago, it was far from clear that Warren would. She was able to break through, others weren’t. I think part of the problem is the sheer _number_ of candidates running. Outside of a handful of political junkies, nobody’s got the time or energy or even interest in sorting through the twenty candidates who are polling in the lower single digits, and seeing if any of them are worth a look. Reports from Iowa suggest that many natives of that state actively _resent_ the size of the horde and wish they’d GTFO. I think Klobuchar or Booker or Inslee or Hickenlooper might get a closer look from a larger group of people if there were only 8-10 candidates of note, rather than \>20. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/634 "2019-08-10T17:14:27Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Bullock won the MT governor’s race at the same time Trump was winning the state by 20 points. Yet he is not a Joe Manchin conserva-Dem type. He is actually reasonably progressive. But he has a very “common man” way of talking without actually sounding stupid. You should check him out. I did, he seems Ok, but he did poorly in the debate, and honestly no one knows who he is. Also, he hasnt been vetted like Biden and Warren. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/635 "2019-08-10T18:47:36Z")
barring a big problem I don’t see Biden dropping out before the first month or so of primaries. He’s got plenty of money to stay in. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/636 "2019-08-10T19:30:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Dude needs a self imposed gag order. Jeez. That’s almost Trumpian right there. > [@Joe Biden](#): > > [We choose truth over facts](https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/08/09/another-gaffe-joe-biden-says-we-choose-truth-over-facts/)! That’s oddly inspiring, in a way. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/637 "2019-08-10T20:12:51Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I have never even _heard_ of Bullock. Booker has gone off the deep end with crazy radical gun control plans, and reparations. Beto is a strong possibility. I want to believe Beto’s a possibility, but he’s just not. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/638 "2019-08-10T22:17:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I did, he seems Ok, but he did poorly in the debate Maybe _you_ didn’t like his debate performance, but you say that like this was the consensus opinion among pundits, and it’s not what I saw at all: [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455475-5-takeaways-from-democratic-debate-slugfest](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455475-5-takeaways-from-democratic-debate-slugfest) > [@](#): > > **3. Bullock has big night** […] > At the moment, Bullock is barely registering in the polls, although that could change after his strong debate performance. > **[Too little, too late? Steve Bullock’s strong debate performance doesn’t...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2618561/too-little-too-late-steve-bullocks-strong-debate-performance-doesnt-guarantee-campaign-surge/)** > > DETROIT — Steve Bullock made a strong debate debut in Detroit, but it's an open question whether his performance can compensate for the ground he lost by missing the opening series in Miami.The Montana governor mixed folksy charm with personal... > [@](#): > > DETROIT — Steve Bullock made a strong debate debut in Detroit, but it’s an open question whether his performance can compensate for the ground he lost by missing the opening series in Miami. > The Montana governor mixed folksy charm with personal anecdotes as he introduced himself and his policy platform to a national audience via the first CNN-hosted debate Tuesday. > **[Was Steve Bullock’s Big Introduction Enough?](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/steve-bullocks-performance-in-the-second-democratic-debate.html)** > > The Montana governor’s presidential candidacy is built for a normal political world. Unfortunately, he’s running in the real one. > [@](#): > > [Bullock] demonstrated a potent ability, and willingness, to personalize difficult topics.[…] > If Bullock’s goal was to convince voters who hadn’t heard of him to give him a look, he may have achieved it. > **[CNN Debate highs and lows (opinion)](https://www.cnn.com/opinions/live-news/opinion-democratic-debate-night-july-30/index.html)** > > CNN commentators weigh in as candidates face off in Detroit at the CNN Democratic Presidential debate for 2020. David Gergen: > [@](#): > > Bullock was an especially fresh voice of common sense that will appeal in large swaths of the country. Patti Solis Doyle: > [@](#): > > Most of us have not seen Governor Bullock on a national stage until tonight. But, with a strong performance in the debate and an embrace of more moderate policies, he is providing a viable alternative to the other more moderate candidate who calls himself a progressive and cloaks himself with the Obama administration – former Vice President Joe Biden. For those Democratic voters who viewed Biden’s debate performance last month as lackluster, Bullock will be appealing. Paul Begala: > [@](#): > > Montana Governor Steve Bullock and former Maryland Congressman John Delaney did a good job of challenging the more, umm, fanciful proposals from Warren and Sanders: free college, free health care, single-payer weed. (Okay, I made that last one up, but stay tuned; it will be canon by the end of this primary). ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/639 "2019-08-10T22:39:12Z")
Now Biden says he was vice president during the Parkland shooting (which happened in 2018): [https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-vice-president-during-205412800.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-vice-president-during-205412800.html) ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/640 "2019-08-10T22:46:08Z")
My dream ticket would be Bullock & Buttegieg. The oft-cited front runners are carrying just as much baggage as Hillary did and will end up playing defense to the far right slime machine. I wish “Uncle Joe” would do the responsible thing and disappear. Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=33)