# Joe Biden's in **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042 "2019-04-25T16:13:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/641 "2019-08-10T22:52:10Z")
:smack: And the thing people really have to remember is that he doesn’t get suspended in amber as he is now. We should not nominate anyone who cannot possibly serve two terms, and that means he has to be up to the pressure through eight years of a very demanding job (assuming he doesn’t neglect his duties like Trump or Reagan), a job that turned his young predecessor’s hair white, until **2029,** when he is pushing 90! :eek: Voters told pollsters last year that “over 75” was too old to run for president. But the plurality of Democratic primary voters somehow did not get that memo. I wish this had just been a more obvious social norm to begin with, so no one would take seriously the idea of Bernie or Joe running. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/642 "2019-08-10T22:53:42Z")
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**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/643 "2019-08-10T22:57:30Z")
Obviously there is a huge pot/kettle quotient here. But it would be better not to even have to get into that argument. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/644 "2019-08-10T23:59:52Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Now Biden says he was vice president during the Parkland shooting (which happened in 2018): > > [https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-vice-president-during-205412800.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-vice-president-during-205412800.html) This is one gaffe that Trump will be happy to pass on. _Parkland? No, no that wasn’t under me. That was under Obama and Biden._ ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/645 "2019-08-11T00:26:12Z")
Actually it turns out he did meet people from Parkland so that was true. He was no longer VP but he met them. One of the parents of a victim spoke about it in April: > [@](#): > > It is time for me to share a very personal moment and it is about VP @JoeBiden. In the weeks following Jaime’s murder, I cannot think of a person who did more to help me heal. It started with a phone call in the week immediately following her murder. > > It was not a fast call. He allowed me to stay on for as long as needed and it went for almost an hour. I remember that he was on a train traveling. He then was in Florida 3 weeks later and he invited me and another parent to meet with him. Again, I was thinking a hand shake. > > He had a group waiting to hear him speak. Instead, he met with us for about 45 minutes and he made us feel as if nothing else mattered. He spoke to us about getting through loss, he spoke about how we all grieve differently, he spoke to us about mission and purpose. > > He also put his hand on my shoulders. For me, it was a highly comforting and healing moment. I will never forget that moment or our time together and I am forever thankful for having met him. > > I do not know if VP @JoeBiden will run for President. What I do know is that after meeting with him, I can honestly say that I do consider him to have been one of the most decent and genuine people that I ever met and I am in a better place today because of him. > ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/646 "2019-08-11T00:41:12Z")
Not sure it’s much better if he doesn’t remember when he was VP. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/647 "2019-08-11T22:46:58Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Not sure it’s much better if he doesn’t remember when he was VP. Of course it’s not good. Though I’m not seeing how Trump can make hay over Biden misspeaking or getting facts wrong. Trump’s got a teensy bit of vulnerability on that score. We’d prefer a candidate who never makes errors. But how much of the GOP’s work do we want to be doing, when it comes to obsessing over errors and gaffes? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/648 "2019-08-11T23:04:55Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Not sure it’s much better if he doesn’t remember when he was VP. Of course he remembers, dont be ridiculous… He just confused meeting with two similar groups, one during and one after. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/649 "2019-08-12T01:34:14Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > As I have said before, we have several Democrats running who would be ideal nominees, and they are all polling in the low single digits. :smack: It’s weird that you and I are so far apart on the relative merits of the major candidates but we both really like Inslee. Yet, somehow, nobody else does. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/650 "2019-08-12T01:38:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > :smack: > > And the thing people really have to remember is that he doesn’t get suspended in amber as he is now. We should not nominate anyone who cannot possibly serve two terms, and that means he has to be up to the pressure through eight years of a very demanding job (assuming he doesn’t neglect his duties like Trump or Reagan), a job that turned his young predecessor’s hair white, until **2029,** when he is pushing 90! :eek: > > Voters told pollsters last year that “over 75” was too old to run for president. But the plurality of Democratic primary voters somehow did not get that memo. I wish this had just been a more obvious social norm to begin with, so no one would take seriously the idea of Bernie or Joe running. Yeah, it’s weird. Voters of both parties SAY they don’t want anyone over 70. And yet… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/651 "2019-08-12T08:21:13Z")
It’s especially weird with the Democrats, since old Democrats don’t win elections. Period. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/652 "2019-08-14T00:56:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Maybe _you_ didn’t like his debate performance, but you say that like this was the consensus opinion among pundits, and it’s not what I saw at all: > > [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455475-5-takeaways-from-democratic-debate-slugfest](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455475-5-takeaways-from-democratic-debate-slugfest) > [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/too-little-too-late-steve-bullocks-strong-debate-performance-doesnt-guarantee-campaign-surge](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/too-little-too-late-steve-bullocks-strong-debate-performance-doesnt-guarantee-campaign-surge) > [Steve Bullock’s Performance in the Second Democratic Debate](http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/steve-bullocks-performance-in-the-second-democratic-debate.html) > [https://www.cnn.com/opinions/live-news/opinion-democratic-debate-night-july-30/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/opinions/live-news/opinion-democratic-debate-night-july-30/index.html) > > David Gergen: > > Patti Solis Doyle: > > Paul Begala: OTOH, voters weren’t impressed. 538 shows national polls by eight different pollsters since the last round of debates. I looked at the most recent polls by all eight. YouGov and Morning Consult have Bullock at 1%, and the other six have him at 0%. Go back to Montana, Gov. Bullock. Run for Senate. Show us again how you can win in a red state. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/653 "2019-08-14T11:13:47Z")
Meanwhile, back to Biden, Politico’s got an article examining Biden’s concerns with Latino voters, or more accurately, the Latino voters’ concerns about Biden. This is bad, because if Biden is seen as racing to the middle when it comes to immigration, that could depress the Latino vote. > **[Biden jumps into damage control after upsetting Latino leaders](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/14/joe-biden-latinos-immigration-2020-1461341)** > > Biden echoed a conservative talking point in the last Democratic debate, saying undocumented immigrants need to "get in line." ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/654 "2019-08-14T11:51:16Z")
Meanwhile… > > [@](#): > > Joe Biden has expressed frustration to allies that his candidacy will suffer if he is judged too harshly on the slip-ups, which he thinks he can do little to correct so long as he is being true to himself. Why yes, if you’re constantly saying stupid shit that makes you look like you have mental problems typical of people your age, people will take notice. :smack: Biden is not a good candidate. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/655 "2019-08-14T11:58:31Z")
At first I thought Biden was just kind of a “Meh, is this the best we got?” kinda candidate. But the more I see him, the more I see the coverage of him, the more convinced I am that he’s a slow-moving disaster. I just don’t know who else the Democrats have right now that stands out as an obvious winner. I’d like to see Kamala Harris’ or Corey Booker’s standing improve, but they both have a lot of work to do and Corey just seems to be a candidate who’s really going to be viscerally unappealing to rural white America. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/656 "2019-08-14T12:25:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > At first I thought Biden was just kind of a “Meh, is this the best we got?” kinda candidate. But the more I see him, the more I see the coverage of him, the more convinced I am that he’s a slow-moving disaster. I just don’t know who else the Democrats have right now that stands out as an obvious winner. I’d like to see Kamala Harris’ or Corey Booker’s standing improve, but they both have a lot of work to do and Corey just seems to be a candidate who’s really going to be viscerally unappealing to rural white America. I mean… there is a consistent second place in the polls, and he polls extremely well against Trump… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/657 "2019-08-14T12:36:17Z")
Warren is a “she”. Abrams announced, correctly, that she’s not running. But she put it out there that she is interested in the VP slot… and I think she would be _excellent_ in that role for the reasons that Asahi listed a couple (or more, I thought I read it somewhere) of posts above: she’s a highly respected minority candidate who would bring out the voters in droves. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/658 "2019-08-14T12:51:49Z")
I meant Sanders; Warren would absolutely also be preferable to Biden. So would most of the rest of the candidates in the running. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/659 "2019-08-14T14:24:16Z")
I know, just jokin’ with you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/660 "2019-08-14T14:50:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Abrams announced, correctly, that she’s not running. But she put it out there that she is interested in the VP slot… and I think she would be _excellent_ in that role for the reasons that Asahi listed a couple (or more, I thought I read it somewhere) of posts above: she’s a highly respected minority candidate who would bring out the voters in droves. She’s also a failed candidate for governor in a blue-wave year. She has the national credentials of O’Rourke at this point - let them each be elected Governor or Senator and we can talk then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=34)