# Joe Biden's in **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042 "2019-04-25T16:13:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/701 "2019-08-17T02:48:43Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > If you want to do the GOP’s work by deep-sixing someone who would certainly be a vast improvement on Trump, no matter how old, then go ahead. But that’s the thing, Sherrard; Joe Biden is deep sixing himself. I’m sorry but I agree with CarnalK: there’s no way people are going to ignore his senior moments in front of a mic forever. People begin to notice these things. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes. There is a time to stop the infighting. There is a time to put a lid on personal ambition and think about the good of the country. Right, but the race just started. That time isn’t now. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/702 "2019-08-17T02:52:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, that means trump walks to re-election. Trump walks to re-election if they fail to unite behind a leader and if they fail to inspire people to vote. We can handle a fiercely competitive primary. I don’t disagree that it shouldn’t by no-holds-barred – the candidates shouldn’t say things that make the entire democratic party look bad, which is why I’m a little squeamish about identity politics. But if Joe Biden confuses Margaret Thatcher with Teresa May and gives confusing responses to debate question or ducks questions, how is that an attack on Biden? That’s Biden attacking himself. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/703 "2019-08-17T02:54:56Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But that’s the thing, Sherrard; Joe Biden is deep sixing himself. I’m sorry but I agree with CarnalK: there’s no way people are going to ignore his senior moments in front of a mic forever. People begin to notice these things. > . Yeah? Why isnt Sanders too old? Where are the republican posters saying trump is too old? :dubious: And Joes little gaffes? he’s been making them all his life. They arent "senior moments."n ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/704 "2019-08-17T02:56:39Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Look. I expect and hope to see Warren criticized. I need to see how she handles it before I can fully believe in her. But I would not expect or want to see a Democrat doing a Pocahontas approach. Sleepy Joe is self same. Then you might like this[video](https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/457676-saagar-enjeti-elizabeth-warren-is-not-the-answer-krystal-ball-joe-biden-needs). Saagar criticizes Warren and Krystal Ball criticizes Biden. Saagar and Ball are both on a show called _Rising_ from _The Hill_. At minute 1, Saagar says that Warren’s response to CharlamagneThaGod’s question on a Breakfast Club video about her heritage left her blank. I didn’t see what he saw, but you can decide that based on the video. I watched the entire Breakfast Club video and thought Warren did pretty well. Although Saagar calls Warren “economically brilliant”, he says that her “woke” base leads her to take actions that she shouldn’t. Krystal’s criticisms of Biden are the same one as on this thread. They’re using the same article, which is from _The Hill_. Biden’s doing a fraction of the events as other candidates but already needs more downtime. Full disclosure: Krystal Ball is a big Andrew Yang fan (although Saagar not so much), which might invalidate the op-ed for you, but the video of Warren’s reaction is still there for you to interpret. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/705 "2019-08-17T03:12:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yeah? Why isnt Sanders too old? Where are the republican posters saying trump is too old? :dubious: > > And Joes little gaffes? he’s been making them all his life. They arent "senior moments."n FTR, yes, Sanders is absolutely too old. But he runs younger than Joe, so that’s why he looks better in debates. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/706 "2019-08-17T03:42:15Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well, “Sleepy Joe” might not be the way to put it but I think whether to elect a 76/77 yr old man to the job is a legitimate issue. I don’t know how you can phrase it that would satisfy the likes of DrDeth and Sherrerd. If not Joe then whom? I’m seeing this thread repeatedly rise to the top of the forum with posters telling us what a disaster he is. Where’s Warren’s thread with the convincing argument that she’s the one? Or Inslee’s? Or Harris’s? Or Beto’s? I mean this place is a microcosm of the greater campaign. If Dems are gonna spend all their time and energy telling us how bad Biden (or whomever the frontrunner is) is, rather than selling us on their (or their candidate’s) platform or electability, just brace yourself for 4 more years. Quit shitting on Democrats and tell us who is the one to beat Trump. We need to fight like hell, but if we spend months fighting like hell _against_ someone rather than _for_ someone, then this just all falls into Trump’s lap with a big fucking bow. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/707 "2019-08-17T05:04:50Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > If not Joe then whom? I’m seeing this thread repeatedly rise to the top of the forum with posters telling us what a disaster he is. Where’s Warren’s thread with the convincing argument that she’s the one? Or Inslee’s? Or Harris’s? Or Beto’s? > > I mean this place is a microcosm of the greater campaign. If Dems are gonna spend all their time and energy telling us how bad Biden (or whomever the frontrunner is) is, rather than selling us on their (or their candidate’s) platform or electability, just brace yourself for 4 more years. > > Quit shitting on Democrats and tell us who is the one to beat Trump. We need to fight like hell, but if we spend months fighting like hell _against_ someone rather than _for_ someone, then this just all falls into Trump’s lap with a big fucking bow. Biden will beat trump, no doubt. Maybe not the best President we could put up, but he is the one sure to beat trump. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/708 "2019-08-17T07:31:33Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > If not Joe then whom? I’m seeing this thread repeatedly rise to the top of the forum with posters telling us what a disaster he is. Where’s Warren’s thread with the convincing argument that she’s the one? Or Inslee’s? Or Harris’s? Or Beto’s? With two dozen candidates cluttering up the landscape, I didn’t see the point in having threads for each candidate. Who needs that many separate threads about the race for the 2020 nomination? And of course the main argument being made for Biden here is that he’s a tad more ‘electable’ than anyone else. So - shock and surprise! - people are pointing out why he’s probably not particularly electable. And how even if he wins, he’ll let Mitch McConnell handcuff him the way he handcuffed Obama for most of his Presidency. Now that the race is narrowing to just a few candidates that people are paying attention to, maybe it’s time for threads about each of the candidates that are drawing nontrivial support. Let’s see: we’re in a Biden thread, here’s [a thread about Warren and Sanders](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876842), here’s [one about Sanders](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=877270), here’s [one about Harris](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=877882), and here’s [one about Mayor Pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=872320). Looks like we’ve got it covered. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/709 "2019-08-17T13:22:34Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > With two dozen candidates cluttering up the landscape, I didn’t see the point in having threads for each candidate. Who needs that many separate threads about the race for the 2020 nomination? > > And of course the main argument being made for Biden here is that he’s a tad more ‘electable’ than anyone else. So - shock and surprise! - people are pointing out why he’s probably not particularly electable. And how even if he wins, he’ll let Mitch McConnell handcuff him the way he handcuffed Obama for most of his Presidency. > > Now that the race is narrowing to just a few candidates that people are paying attention to, maybe it’s time for threads about each of the candidates that are drawing nontrivial support. Let’s see: we’re in a Biden thread, here’s [a thread about Warren and Sanders](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876842), here’s [one about Sanders](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=877270), here’s [one about Harris](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=877882), and here’s [one about Mayor Pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=872320). > > Looks like we’ve got it covered. No kidding, sparky. I know those exist. My point is, no one’s posting in those. Try convincing us [your candidate here] has what it takes to beat Trump, and maybe take a pause from telling us what a shitbird Biden is. We get it. You think he’s terrible. So who’s good? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/710 "2019-08-17T13:34:04Z")
I think Warren is good. Harris is good. It’s certainly fair to question whether or not they could beat Trump in the general election, but I don’t think many people are arguing otherwise. People aren’t trashing Biden so much as pointing out that he’s not necessarily as “electable” as people say he is. Moreover, let’s face it: we all remember what happened a few years ago when the Democratic party coronated the front-runner. To be clear, I’m not saying Hillary Clinton didn’t win or didn’t deserve to win or that she won a “rigged” nomination, but there’s no disputing that the party itself, as well as many of us who voted for her, assumed that her nomination was a foregone conclusion from the start, and we assumed further that she would easily defeat Trump. We know how both of those assumptions played out, so you’ll have to pardon people for being a wee bit skeptical of accepting at face value Biden’s supposed political strength. There are very real problems with Joe Biden. It’s a very telling, and troubling, sign when his own campaign decides they’re better off limiting his exposure at a time when candidates typically seek to maximize their exposure and strengthen their brand. If Biden can confront the concerns that people have and win the nomination, I think you’ll see the party unite around him, and he’ll undoubtedly bring in independent voters and maybe even some Republicans who are disgusted with Trump. But he’s not going to do that by hiding from the cameras and looking weak. There’s just too much exposure in a campaign to think that this is going to be an effective strategy. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/711 "2019-08-17T14:05:18Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > No kidding, sparky. I know those exist. My point is, no one’s posting in those. Try convincing us [your candidate here] has what it takes to beat Trump, and maybe take a pause from telling us what a shitbird Biden is. We get it. You think he’s terrible. So who’s good? In terms of being able to beat Trump? Many of the candidates. Jay Inslee could beat Trump if he could win the nomination. I really think ‘electability’ comes down more to which candidates have a problem, not which candidate has that special sauce. Since it looks like a Biden v. Warren contest for the nomination might be starting to shape up, I think Warren would do just fine. What’s Trump going to do, call her ‘Pocahontas’ some more? I think that unlike Biden, Warren’s quite aware that Mitch McConnell will be a brick wall in the way of pretty much anything the Dems try to do in 2021, so assuming they can win the Senate next fall, they’ve got to kill the filibuster next. Having the party nominee saying this will move the ball forward because both reporters and activists will be asking Dem Senators where they stand on the filibuster. Also unlike Biden, Warren is clearly aware that we’re facing a climate emergency, and we need to move big and fast to address it. She’s on the right side of a whole bunch of issues, and has concrete plans to address them. She’s a candidate who can tie where she is on the issues to stories from her life that working people, especially working women, can relate to. If she wins the nomination, she’ll be a good nominee and a good President. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/712 "2019-08-17T14:14:24Z")
Going to see Mayor Pete this afternoon. Second time in a month or two. Bernie’s in town, Harris, too. Being in one of the early states. It’s a thing. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/713 "2019-08-17T15:18:34Z")
Biden’s performances so far have ranged from a D to a few hints of solid B. His gaffe predilection is baked in to his numbers but yeah he needs to show he’s got the skillz to dismantle Trump, not just have it claimed because of how he polls without really campaigning. He’s not sleepy or senile and those claims are embarrassing to the ones who make them, but he is the same affable clumsy mouthed candidate who has lost the nom before. I for one would feel better supporting him if he demonstrated some better speaking skills. Warren has a good case to make that she is electable too. She manages to straddle being enough of a change it all up message to attract those who just want change (Obama-Trump voters included), while still leaving establishment types with a feeling that she isn’t nuts and just going to destroy things. She hasn’t shown that she can inspire Black turnout but that is offset maybe by marginal increases in younger voter turnout. She needs to be tested some more but she has a good case to make. I suspect there are quite a few like me supporting Biden but tentatively. We won’t be won over by beating up Biden. We are winnable by completing the sale of another choice on her strengths. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/714 "2019-08-17T15:22:45Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > In terms of being able to beat Trump? Many of the candidates. Jay Inslee could beat Trump if he could win the nomination. I really think ‘electability’ comes down more to which candidates have a problem, not which candidate has that special sauce. > > Since it looks like a Biden v. Warren contest for the nomination might be starting to shape up, I think Warren would do just fine. What’s Trump going to do, call her ‘Pocahontas’ some more? Yes, and it will work. He and his base will have a blast making fun of her and he’ll campaign his ass off all over the midwest and the “Rust Belt” and the crowds will roar with laughter and applause, energizing Republicans. He’ll do the exact same thing in the debates and she will be thrown off her “serious woman talking about serious business” game, be rattled by Trump’s juvenile attacks and unable to parry it with any humor, and come off looking like Hillary 2.0. Black voters in the main are going to be unenthused about a woman who looks and speaks like someone’s mom in 1997 at a PTA meeting warning the parents about the dangers of Marilyn Manson and Eminem, and their turnout will be lackluster. And anyone who thinks that Warren can connect with blue collar workers has never been a blue collar worker. We’ll have 4 more “Tremendous”, “Yuge” years. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/715 "2019-08-17T15:42:36Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Yes, and it will work. He and his base will have a blast making fun of her and he’ll campaign his ass off all over the midwest and the “Rust Belt” and the crowds will roar with laughter and applause, energizing Republicans. He’ll do the exact same thing in the debates and she will be thrown off her “serious woman talking about serious business” game, be rattled by Trump’s juvenile attacks and unable to parry it with any humor, and come off looking like Hillary 2.0. Black voters in the main are going to be unenthused about a woman who looks and speaks like someone’s mom in 1997 at a PTA meeting warning the parents about the dangers of Marilyn Manson and Eminem, and their turnout will be lackluster. And anyone who thinks that Warren can connect with blue collar workers has never been a blue collar worker. We’ll have 4 more “Tremendous”, “Yuge” years. Trump has plenty of subject matter to humiliate him with if he dares to do that. I’d love to see Buttigieg on the ticket one way or another because he hits him hard on “the pron star presidency” rather than try and take the high ground. He probably won’t come close to the nomination but as VP pick…I’d pay to watch Buttigieg debate Pence. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/716 "2019-08-17T15:47:40Z")
[Charles Pierce on Warren](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28669312/elizabeth-warren-iowa-state-fair/): > [@](#): > > But the thing that’s sold Elizabeth Warren to Iowa is primarily Elizabeth Warren. None of the candidates seems to be having as much fun as she is. The endless selfies after speeches. The pinky-swears with young girls about how what girls do is run for president. Her willingness to hold town halls anywhere. That loose-limbed, almost goofy wave with which she steps onto every stage. In a gloomy political time, with a humorless sociopathic bully in the White House, and with all the worst impulses of the national Id come out to play, Senator Professor Warren is the campaign’s happy warrior, the teacher everybody hopes they get when school starts up again in the fall. People respond to the good feeling around her campaign as much as they respond to the blizzard of policy proposals that campaign has loosed upon the electorate. > [@](#): > > She is a liberal academic who lives in Massachusetts, but she is not a Massachusetts Liberal in the easy caricature that has been so useful to the Republicans over the last 40 years. She is neither a quiet technocrat like Michael Dukakis nor a chilly WASPish icon like John Kerry. She is Oklahoma, born and bred, and it shows in the easy way she connects with audiences here. She is not Harvard. She is someone who went to two public universities before she ever got there. There is none of the distance, none of the archness, common to Ivy League academics. > > And the people who come expecting a Dukakis or a Kerry come away happily surprised. And the people who come away expecting an ivory-tower Harvard lecturer leave feeling smarter, and experiencing the conquest of learning in a way they haven’t felt it since elementary school. None of this is to say what may happen when the guns really open up on her, but it is to say, for now, that Elizabeth Warren is running a campaign of hope and optimism and enthusiasm as surely as did Ronald Reagan, that ol’ Iowa radio guy, in 1980, and as surely as Barack Obama did in 2008. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/717 "2019-08-18T00:10:33Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > …I’d pay to watch Buttigieg debate Pence. That would be amazing. Buttigieg has at least 20 IQ points on Pence, I’d guess, and then there’s the famous Pence un-ease around the topic of sexual orientation. Pence would try to be condescending and fail, and Buttigieg would be kind but firm. And probably witty, too. The ratings might top ratings for the presidential debates! > [@RTFirefly](#): > > [Charles Pierce on Warren](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28669312/elizabeth-warren-iowa-state-fair/): Thanks for posting that; some great insights from Pierce. > [@Lamoral](#): > > … He and his base will have a blast making fun of her and he’ll campaign his ass off all over the midwest and the “Rust Belt” and the crowds will roar with laughter and applause, energizing Republicans. He’ll do the exact same thing in the debates and she will be thrown off her “serious woman talking about serious business” game, be rattled by Trump’s juvenile attacks and unable to parry it with any humor, and come off looking like Hillary 2.0. Black voters in the main are going to be unenthused about a woman who looks and speaks like someone’s mom in 1997 at a PTA meeting warning the parents about the dangers of Marilyn Manson and Eminem, and their turnout will be lackluster. … Interesting prediction. Doesn’t seem to have much connection with the actual Elizabeth Warren, though. Seems like more of an eccentric fantasy. (Probably a fantasy cherished by several Trump fans.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/718 "2019-08-18T00:14:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And Joes little gaffes? he’s been making them all his life. They arent "senior moments."n Yes, the re-branding effort isn’t very convincing, given the fact that we have access to the historical record. But those who enjoy the trashing, will go on a-trashing. And it will have an effect. Certainly Bernie’s attempt to brand Hillary as corrupt, with all his emphasis on her “Wall Street speeches,” was quite successful in the 2016 election. People looked at the fact that the trashing was coming from the non-Republican side, and that gave it added weight. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/719 "2019-08-18T02:16:07Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Interesting prediction. Doesn’t seem to have much connection with the actual Elizabeth Warren, though. Seems like more of an eccentric fantasy. (Probably a fantasy cherished by several Trump fans.) It’s no fantasy of mine, believe me, it’s a deeply troubling scenario. I rate Biden’s chances as being better than Warren’s, but still low. My favorites are Buttigieg and Booker. In fact, I think they would make a stellar ticket - with Booker at the top spot. I know that’s unfortunately unlikely to happen though. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042/720 "2019-08-18T05:07:50Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Interesting prediction. Doesn’t seem to have much connection with the actual Elizabeth Warren, though. Seems like more of an eccentric fantasy. (Probably a fantasy cherished by several Trump fans.) I agree the piece by Pierce is very insightful. I have been an admirer of Warren since she first ran for Senate. I believe she would make a great President. The problem is the GOP and Trump will lie about her and cheat in every way they can to stop her. The oligarchs despise her. Jamie Dimon and his amoral cronies will pull out all the stops to keep her from being elected. Thanks to Moscow Mitch the Russians already have free rein to run wild in 2020 and if Warren is the nominee they will destroy her in ways that will make what was done in 2016 look like child’s play. The saddest thing will be how the supposed liberal media will do next to nothing to call out the liars and their lies. Repeating all the lies and feeding the controversy will be too important to drive ratings and at the end of the day that is ALL they really care about. In a general election Warren won’t be allowed to get her positive message out because her campaign will constantly be on the defensive and never allowed to influence the news cycle in the ways they must in order to win. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-bidens-in/833042.md?page=37)