# Joe Morgan fired from ESPN Sunday games. (Miller too).

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**Created:** [November 9, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-fired-from-espn-sunday-games-miller-too/560026 "2010-11-09T13:14:01Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-fired-from-espn-sunday-games-miller-too/560026/41 "2010-12-04T07:47:11Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> OBP is a SABER stat now? I’ve been using it along with many others since the 70s.

I don’t think so. Bill James started publishing in the mid-70s, and he spent his first years trying to convince people to count walks as something positive, not some cowardly way some batters have of avoiding swinging at pitches like men do. If you look at reference books from the 70s, they don’t even list OBP as a category.

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**Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-fired-from-espn-sunday-games-miller-too/560026/42 "2010-12-04T17:53:03Z")

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The AL Redbooks did. Check it out. I still have my 76 or 77 one. I also have a baseball encyclopedia from 1973 in the house somewhere. I’ll try to check that one.

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**Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-fired-from-espn-sunday-games-miller-too/560026/43 "2010-12-04T18:19:56Z")

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Please do. I own a Baseball Encyclopedia (ed. Joe Reichler) 1979 (5th) edition, that lists SLG but not OBA, and several '76 and 77 Baseball Digests, that do likewise, and the Complete Book of Baseball, 1979 ed. Zander Hollander, which has paragraphs about Morgan and Randolph but not a syllable about their ability to reach base via the BB. It just wasn’t on the radar screen in 1979.

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**Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-fired-from-espn-sunday-games-miller-too/560026/44 "2010-12-04T19:22:02Z")

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I clearly misremembered. My 88’ Baseball Encyclopedia does have OBA but not my Redbook.

I can’t find the 73 Baseball Encyclopedia.

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**Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-fired-from-espn-sunday-games-miller-too/560026/45 "2010-12-04T19:49:07Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> That is just silly now. Old school baseball fans could as well recognize and did recognize how valuable Joe Morgan was as a player.

I don’t think most did.

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