# Joe Morgan has died **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** celebrity-death, baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [October 12, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805 "2020-10-12T14:56:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/1 "2020-10-12T14:56:15Z")
Yet another one is now gone. I remember him from the tail end of his time with the Reds, but of course mostly for the arm flap. Every little leaguer had to try it. He was a decent announcer in an era where announcers really started to spiral downhill. > **[Big Red Machine member, Hall of Famer Joe Morgan has died](https://local12.com/amp/sports/reds/big-red-machines-joe-morgan-has-died-cincinnati)** > > CINCINNATI (WKRC) - A beloved member of the Big Red Machine and Hall of Famer Joe Morgan has died, according to the Associated Press. He was 77. He died at his home Sunday in Danville, California, family spokesman James Davis said in statement... ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/2 "2020-10-12T15:22:10Z")
He was a great player but a terrible announcer. Maybe the worst ever. But boy was he an all time great second baseman. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/3 "2020-10-12T17:04:40Z")
He spent his first nine seasons with the Astros when they were bad team who played in the Astrodome, the worst hitters’ park in MLB. It’s only when he went to the Reds that he began to shine. He was the best position player in baseball from 1972 through 1976 (Mike Schmidt had a higher WAR in 1974, but Morgan was better over the five-year stretch). Yeah, he was a terrible announcer. Too much ego, and too much self-enforced ignorance. About the book Moneyball he said, “Why should I read a book about a computer?” But he was a great, great player. I’d say he was the second-greatest second baseman in MLB history, after Rogers Hornsby. Hornsby was the better hitter, but Morgan was the better fielder. And if I were drafting a team I’d pick Morgan over Hornsby because I wouldn’t want to be around Hornsby for more than two minutes. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/4 "2020-10-12T19:01:28Z")
I came to baseball far too late to see Morgan play, but his place among the greats can hardly be in doubt. His commentary was often terrible, and he had an almost pathological hatred for Moneyball - the concept and the book - while also apparently believing, at least for a while, that the book was actually written by Billy Beane. As some Sabermetrics folks pointed out, the dislike was completely irrational, especially since stats folks would sometimes make the point that Morgan’s own numbers are, in some ways, even greater than many people appreciate, and burnish his legend even further. None of his commentary silliness, though, reduces even slightly his greatness as a player. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/5 "2020-10-12T19:15:33Z")
Oh wow. He and Pete Rose, Jonny Bench and George Foster were my childhood hero’s when I was growing up north of Dayton. Saw them play many times and the Big Red Machine was just awesome. So sad to hear this. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/6 "2020-10-12T22:33:05Z")
So five Hall of Famers in the past month and half? Morgan, Seaver, Ford, Gibson and Brock. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/7 "2020-10-13T00:41:31Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > the Big Red Machine was just awesome. They were. And my Red Sox still almost beat them in '75! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/8 "2020-10-13T01:35:04Z")
My Yanks were very good in 76 and didn’t come close to beating them. Heartbreaking to me at the time. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/9 "2020-10-13T03:30:42Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > So five Hall of Famers in the past month and half? Morgan, Seaver, Ford, Gibson and Brock. Weird. That should say five first-ballot hall of famers in the past six weeks, but Whitey Ford had to wait a year (absurdly.) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/10 "2020-10-13T07:06:24Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > He was a decent announcer in an era where announcers really started to spiral downhill. Yeah, we’re going to really disagree on this one. Never was there a more useless and insufferable jackass calling games except for maybe Bill Walton. RIP nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/11 "2020-10-13T15:58:26Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > He was a great player but a terrible announcer. Maybe the worst ever. > > But boy was he an all time great second baseman. Yep, and ironically the sabermetrics that he decried loudly was very much essential in further elevating Joe Morgan’s status as an all time best 2B. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/12 "2020-10-15T17:38:10Z")
What a wonderful player he was. Another one I got to see play in person multiple times. I always think of the Big Red Machine as the Best Baseball Team Ever (they were the best around when I was paying the closest attention, so), and Morgan was the best of the best. Gotta say, these deaths of HOFers from my youth is getting ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/13 "2020-10-15T19:27:43Z")
Best team ever is tricky, but the fact they’re in the conversation for it is impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/14 "2020-10-15T20:36:33Z")
I was playing little league when the Reds were in their glory years. The players even came through our little town and gave out autographs more than a few times. Thats when we had heros and living legends. Damn I am old. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/15 "2020-10-15T21:09:35Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > He was a great player but a terrible announcer. Maybe the worst ever. I’ve heard dozens worse. Morgan was a ludicrously great player. A thing about Morgan is that there really isn’t anyone else in baseball history like him - no one really fits Morgan’s profile in terms of their skill set. Lou Whitaker is vaguely similar but not nearly close to Morgan’s level. How many GREAT teams are there, in baseball history? Suppose there’s ten or twelve. There would be four distinct Yankees teams at least - the Ruth-Gehrig Yankees, Joe McCarthy Yankees, 1949-1953 Yankees, Mantle Yankees, and 1990s Yankees, but you’d also have the 1910s Red Sox, 1910s A’s, the Moustache A’s, 1920s Giants, Bob Gibson Cards, and the Big Red Machine. Maybe a few others. So how many players are the greatest player on a truly, truly great team? Not many. Joe Morgan was one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/16 "2020-10-17T13:40:09Z")
Craig Biggio is another low-rent version of Morgan. Otherwise you have to go to something like Mickey Mantle, but playing second base. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-morgan-has-died/922805/17 "2020-10-22T14:12:07Z")
I’d also say the Trashcan Man himself, Jose Altuve, is another player in Morgan’s mold - but only if Jose could sustain his cheating ways for another 10 years and go back to stealing more bases. And increase his defensive range a foot or two. God, [Morgan’s b-ref page](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morgajo02.shtml) is baseball porn.