# Joe Rogan and his massive audience **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2022, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296 "2022-01-06T03:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/101 "2022-01-26T22:57:30Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I’m not going to fault musicians for not doing the same. I certainly wouldn’t, as you say, most musicians aren’t exactly swimming in cash. But that doesn’t mean that I can’t applaud those who do. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life. It is, however, apparently a way to get a $100 million contract. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/102 "2022-01-26T23:02:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It is, however, apparently a way to get a $100 million contract. Hey, we had an intellectually incurious former reality TV star man-child for President. Turns out when half the population is dumber than the average person, lots of money and support gets tossed at the most random bullshit imaginable. It’s an almost uniquely American trait to think it also confers some halo of worthiness or intelligence to anybody fortunate enough to profit. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/103 "2022-01-26T23:18:53Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life. **TOGA !!!** [![](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/06/03/books/review/03KEEPNEWS/03KEEPNEWS-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp) ](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/06/03/books/review/03KEEPNEWS/03KEEPNEWS-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp) [Pardon my spontaneous outburst. As you were] ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/104 "2022-01-26T23:24:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cite that Young pulled his demand? Here you go, Mr. Sealion. > **[Neil Young Threatens to Remove Music From Spotify Over Joe Rogan’s ‘False...](https://variety.com/2022/music/news/neil-young-spotify-joe-rogan-covid-19-1235162437/)** > > Neil Young plans to remove his music from Spotify due to COVID-19 misinformation spawned from the service's partnership with Joe Rogan. > [@](#): > > [Neil Young](https://variety.com/t/neil-young/) has shared a message demanding his music be removed from [Spotify](https://variety.com/t/spotify/), citing the streaming service’s distribution partnership with Joe Rogan and accusing Rogan’s podcast “The Joe Rogan Experience” of spreading false information regarding COVID-19 and vaccines. > > The musician posted an open letter to [his official website](https://neilyoungarchives.com/news/1/article?id=A-Message-To-Spotify) on Monday evening, **although it has since been deleted**. The deletion doesn’t appear to have done much good, though. Is this the part where you call me a liar because ttaking down the demand letter isn’t the same as ‘pulling his demand’? > **[Spotify to Pull Neil Young’s Music After Artist’s Objections to Joe Rogan](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/spotify-neil-young-joe-rogan-1235081916/)** > > The artist is expected to lose 60 percent of his streaming revenue by pulling his catalogue off of Spotify. > [@](#): > > # Spotify to Pull Neil Young’s Music After Artist’s Objections to Joe Rogan > > The artist is expected to lose 60 percent of his streaming revenue by pulling his catalogue off of Spotify Epic self-own on Young’s part, as I predicted earlier in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/105 "2022-01-26T23:28:52Z")
I don’t see what changing his website has to do with his demand. The letter was already out there – it didn’t exist only on his website. He made a demand of Spotify, and they complied. I don’t see how this was a “self-own” for Young – he didn’t want to be on the same platform as Rogan, and now he’s not. Good for him! I hope he inspires other musicians to use what clout they have to fight for good science and against anti-science imbeciles like Rogan (and those who enable him). ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/106 "2022-01-26T23:29:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Epic self-own on Young’s part, as I predicted earlier in the thread. Actually you said Neil Young would pull his demand. That did not happen. “So, where would you like the goal posts moved to today…? Back to where Aaron Rodgers wins the Superbowl?” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/107 "2022-01-27T00:16:01Z")
Sam Stone posted BS and when proven wrong he acted like that’s not what he said? Must be a day of the week ending in Y. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/108 "2022-01-27T00:45:24Z")
There is a self-own here. It’s just not where Sam thinks it is. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/109 "2022-01-27T02:34:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t see what changing his website has to do with his demand. The letter on the website WAS the demand. Unless I missed it, that’s all he did - post the letter on his site. So taking down the letter from the web site can be reasonably assumed to mean he thought twice about it and pulled the demand. Why else would be remove the letter? > [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Actually you said Neil Young would pull his demand. That did not happen. If pulling the letter means pulling the demand, then yes he did. My other prediction, which is what I was referring to, was that if Spotify were forced to choose, they’d choose Rogan over him. That also appears to be what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/110 "2022-01-27T03:53:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If pulling the letter means pulling the demand, then yes he did. But it Doesn’t. And I’m not the only person telling you that. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/111 "2022-01-27T04:08:55Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The letter on the website WAS the demand. That’s not how things work. You don’t make a demand by posting something on a personal site and hope someone hears about it. Are you 12? Did you demand a refund from a store by leaving a note on your door? Have you applied for a job by telling a neighbor and hoping the business hears about it? You can’t possibly be this stupid, Sam. You know he would have contacted them directly for anything to happen. What was on his site was just letting his fans know about it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/112 "2022-01-27T04:11:42Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > My other prediction, which is what I was referring to, was that if Spotify were forced to choose, they’d choose Rogan over him. That also appears to be what happened. And those two predictions are at odds with one another. If Spotify was forced to choose, then the demand was clearly not withdrawn. The two predictions are contradictory. You can claim one came true or the other, but not both. If he rescinded his demand, then he stays on the platform. If he didn’t, then he leaves (or they give in, but we knew that wouldn’t happen). ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/113 "2022-01-27T04:14:08Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Did you demand a refund from a store by leaving a note on your door? Have you applied for a job by telling a neighbor and hoping the business hears about it? Why does this seem familiar? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/EuZeff2y32M/hqdefault.jpg "The Office I declare bankruptcy! Michael Scott") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuZeff2y32M&t=15) “You can’t just say the word bankruptcy and expect anything to happen.” “I didn’t say it. I declared it.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/114 "2022-01-27T04:22:38Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Why does this seem familiar? Hahaha! I knew it reminded me of something! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/115 "2022-01-27T04:24:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Why else would be remove the letter? I didn’t address this… Obviously if his lawyer or manager thought advertising it was a bad idea while he was in discussions with Spotify it would make sense to take it down. Again, this is extremely simple and I have trouble believing you’re actually this dim. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/116 "2022-01-27T04:30:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Unless I missed it, that’s all he did - post the letter on his site. You don’t think that he maybe also sent the letter to Spotify? You don’t inform someone of demands by posting them on your website, you notify them by notifying _them_. Then, if you are so inclined, you may choose to make your letter open to the public, for whatever PR reasons you think it may help. The letter on the website isn’t the demand, it is informing his fans and the public of the demand. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If pulling the letter means pulling the demand, then yes he did. But removing the the letter from his website does not mean pulling the demand, so your conclusion is erroneous. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > My other prediction, which is what I was referring to, was that if Spotify were forced to choose, they’d choose Rogan over him. That also appears to be what happened. And no one disagreed with that prediction in the slightest. It’s pretty obvious that’s how it would play out. I don’t know how much Young’s streaming makes for Spotify, but I have no reason to believe that it would be anywhere near $100 million, I’d be shocked if it were a meaningful fraction of a percent of that. So, the numbers make Spotify’s decision obvious, no kudos for that prediction. Like having to walk back your assertion that unicorns swim in the moonlight by trying to claim that all along you were just saying that water is wet. ETA: OTOH, if Young’s actions spur other artists to do the same, or for subscribers to unsubscribe, then it may change the balance against Rogan. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/117 "2022-01-27T04:31:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The letter on the website WAS the demand. Unless I missed it, that’s all he did - post the letter on his site. Probably beating a dead horse, but the story in _Variety_ clearly starts with the statement that he _shared_ a message. Maybe that’s what _shared_ means in Canadian. I’m usually lousy with dialects. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/118 "2022-01-27T06:48:11Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Probably beating a dead horse… Maybe even a Crazy Horse? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/119 "2022-01-27T21:25:25Z")
Hey! I have a new Neil Young channel on my Sirius XM! Woo-Hoo! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296/120 "2022-01-27T21:40:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Is this the part where you call me a liar because taking down the demand letter isn’t the same as ‘pulling his demand’? This is a brilliant piece of dishonest redirection here on your part. Let’s look at it in context of what you said: > [@](#): > > Neil Young very quickly pulled his demand, as I understand it, He probably realized that if he demanded a ‘him or me’ decision, he wasn’t going to be the winner. Had you merely said “he removed the letter from the website”, you would be entirely correct. However, you very clearly framed your statement as Young backing down because he wasn’t going to win. That didn’t happen. Young didn’t back down. He recognized that indeed it was a them-or-me situation, he stuck to his guns, accepting the consequences. And now you’re backtracking saying “oh I only meant he unpublished a letter from his website.” Sure, that’s what you meant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-rogan-and-his-massive-audience/957296.md?page=7)