# Joe the Dumbass: "A vote for Obama is a vote for death to Israel" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986 "2008-10-28T19:29:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/1 "2008-10-28T19:29:17Z")
McCain was stupid enough to put that Wurzelbacher clown on the stump and he’s already [fucked up](http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/joe-plumber-backs-claim-obama-bring-death-israel/comments/). > [@](#): > > Joe Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. “Joe the Plumber,” on Tuesday twice agreed with a claim from an audience member at a John McCain rally that “a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for the death to Israel.” > > Wurzelbacher was hitting the campaign trail on behalf of McCain for the first time, joining former Rep. Rob Portman on a GOP bus tour through Ohio. > > At a stop in Columbus, he fielded the question on Israel from a self-identified Jewish senior citizen. > > The questioner said he was “concerned” with Barack Obama’s associations and “It’s my belief that a vote for Obama is a vote for the death to Israel.” > > Wurzelbacher responded: “I do know that.” > > The questioner then complained about Obama’s tax policies and reiterated his Israel comment. > > “Well, you know what, I’ll actually go ahead and agree with you on that one,” Wurzelbacher said. “You know … no, I agree with ya.'” That’s not the only stupid thing this idiot says in the article. He also burbles this bit of multi-layered ignorance: > [@](#): > > “I love America. I hope it remains a democracy, not a socialist society. … If you look at spreading the wealth, that’s honestly right out of Karl Marx’s mouth,” Wurzelbacher said. > “No one can debate that. That’s not my opinion. That’s fact.” That’s what happens when you take a random, dittohead, dumbfuck off the street and give him a microphone. Why the fuck is McCain so enamored with this moron? What evidence is there that this asshole is moving any votes? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/2 "2008-10-28T19:34:41Z")
Maybe it’s not _John_ McCain that’s so enamored of him? ---
**Author:** ![BJMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@BJMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BJMoose)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/3 "2008-10-28T19:37:31Z")
Wish this guy’s fifteen minutes would run out already. Is it _really_ McCain’s people who are using this guy now? If so, they really are dumber than moose turds. Never thought I’d say this, but these guys make Karl Rove look _good_ (well, competent, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/4 "2008-10-28T19:38:07Z")
One more day, one step closer to Camacho. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/5 "2008-10-28T19:48:32Z")
Look for a November 2 announcement from the McCain campaign, possibly on _Meet the Press_: \*Governor Palin has informed Senator McCain that family-related matters have ballooned to the point where she can either be an effective partner to her husband, mother to her children, and Governor of the state of Alaska; or an effective member of the leadership team for the American people. She feels that at this point in history, she cannot be both. She has expressed her regret to Senator McCain that this is the current reality of the situation, and has asked to be excused from her place on the McCain ticket. Senator McCain has reluctantly accepted Governor Palin’s decision, and is hereby announcing that he has invited Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher to join the McCain team, and on January 20, 2009, be sworn in as the forty-seventh Vice President of the United States."\* :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/6 "2008-10-28T19:52:18Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > … he has invited Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher to join the McCain team, and on January 20, 2009, be sworn in as the forty-seventh Vice President of the United States." No, I think he’s saving Joe up for a real job, like Secretary of the Treasury, where he can get to use his economic expertise. ---
**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/7 "2008-10-28T19:53:14Z")
Sweet mother of God! That clown has officially sanctioned opinions on international politics?! That clown is a bona fide member of the McCain campaign?! How desperate can they be? Take it all in, bud… Your 15 minutes are about over ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/8 "2008-10-28T20:05:15Z")
The object is to have dumb asses identify with you as a candidate without you having to be a dumb ass yourself. However, it’s too late for McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/9 "2008-10-28T20:12:43Z")
I don’t understand how Joe “fucked up.” Not that I don’t think what he said was fucked up, but I’m not sure this isn’t a smart (not necessarily good) political move by McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/10 "2008-10-28T20:17:32Z")
Yeah, how is it fucked up to make voters think that an Obama victory would be bad for Israel? There are enough pro-ISrael people out there that that could win you votes. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/11 "2008-10-28T20:19:06Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > One more day, one step closer to Camacho. Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would make a much better President than Joe the Plumber. Or Sarah Palin it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/12 "2008-10-28T20:22:35Z")
Yeah, but merely asserting that a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel doesn’t convince voters that it is true. Maybe he’s a muslim nazi and maybe he isn’t but just calling him a muslim nazi doesn’t make him a muslim nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/13 "2008-10-28T20:38:11Z")
I get an overall pitting of JTP for dumbass statements. Sure. But I guess I’m stuck in armchair pundit mode, and was reacting to the notion that he made a gaffe (fucked up) or McCain could do anything but gain votes by this. Consider all the audiences out there – who is going to switch their vote from McCain because of JTP’s statements? JTP is representing exactly the demographic McCain was reaching for when he made him a celebrity during the debate. It’s not like a senior policy adviser is making the statements, so only the most pedantic out there would attribute JTP’s remarks directly to the Campaign in general. But it does make it seem as if alllll JTPs out there are voicing this “concern.” ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/14 "2008-10-28T20:50:15Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Yeah, how is it fucked up to make voters think that an Obama victory would be bad for Israel? There are enough pro-ISrael people out there that that could win you votes. How are comments from Joe the Plumber going to make anyone think Obama is bad for Israel? The only ones who will believe it are the McCainite know-nothings. Everybody else will just see it as more evidence of the spectacular meltdown of the McCain campaign. This can only hurt McCain. Even if a couple of voters _are_ persuaded by it, many more will finally decide that they’ve had enough of McCain and these idiots he chooses to glorify. It’s not just the undecided voters that McCain has to worry about. He’s also alienating a lot of people who had already decided to vote for him. This can not help. Responding to **Rhythmdvl** on preview: I don’t think people will assume that Joe the Plumber’s remarks represent the campaign’s official positions. I do think people will react negatively to the fact that the campaign is allowing this bozo to speak for them. Promoting this guy as a representative of blue-collar America is an insult to blue-collar Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/15 "2008-10-28T20:59:57Z")
Joe is about as credible as a person who come forward speaking of alien visitations, trips to the mother ship and anal probings. I think the public sees this. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/16 "2008-10-28T21:04:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Why the fuck is McCain so enamored with this moron? What evidence is there that this asshole is moving any votes? Is McCain still bringing up “Joe the Plumber” ? Or is it the media so enamoured with Joe. I don’t see the relevance of Joe any more than the relevance of Wright. What the hell has Wright been saying these days ? Is he still supporting Obama? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/17 "2008-10-28T21:05:29Z")
Somehow, I don’t think the Obama=death-to-Israel meme is gonna win Obama the Stormfront vote. Just a hunch. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/18 "2008-10-28T21:07:34Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Is McCain still bringing up “Joe the Plumber” ? > Or is it the media so enamoured with Joe. Dumbass, he’s on a GOP bus tour. He’s being made an official part of the campaign. If you can’t be bothered to read the links, don’t be surprised when you look like a shithead in the discussion that follows. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/19 "2008-10-28T21:09:33Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Is McCain still bringing up “Joe the Plumber” ? Yes, and he’s got him on the campaign trail. > [@](#): > > Or is it the media so enamoured with Joe. Other than Fox News, I don’t thinks so. > [@](#): > > I don’t see the relevance of Joe any more than the relevance of Wright. Me either, but McCain and Palin sem to think he’s their salvation. > [@](#): > > What the hell has Wright been saying these days ? Is he still supporting Obama? I don’t know. Who gives a shit? Obama isn’t putting him on the stump and pimping him at rallies. Wright never said anything that bad anyway. Palin alone is a far more offensive human being. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986/20 "2008-10-28T21:14:22Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Yeah, but merely asserting that a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel doesn’t convince voters that it is true. Maybe he’s a muslim nazi and maybe he isn’t but just calling him a muslim nazi doesn’t make him a muslim nazi. If you say something often enough, people will believe it, even if it’s not true…especially if it’s not true. They might dismiss it at first, but there will be part of them who’ll say “well, there must be something there, or else he wouldn’t say it.” It’s the way people are. They’re willing to accept that a person will exaggerate, but not just lie totally in a major way. So if you make a claim that’s outrageous enough, and keep repeating it with all seriousness, people will come to believe you. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe-the-dumbass-a-vote-for-obama-is-a-vote-for-death-to-israel/469986.md?page=2)