# Joe\_Cool and Jersey Diamond - Match Made In Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 22, 2002, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214 "2002-11-22T19:43:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/21 "2002-11-22T21:09:00Z")
Gotta chime in on the middle ground…as this issue bothers me greatly… There is nothing wrong with spanking your child on the butt with your hand, in a reasonable fashion.\* Spanking with switches and belts is pretty much abuse. Slapping a child is most certainly abuse. (IMO) I was spanked at a child, not too hard by both mom and dad…so was my brother. We turned out to be reasonably ok. No amount of time-outs or whatnot would have been as effective a spanking for me. I’m certainly not submissive. If your kid is timid and fearful, it’s probably not a good idea to spank. But if you are in the freaking supermarket with a whining screaming kid who is throwing a temper tantrum and your idea of dealing with that is threatening not to BUY the child a treat, I’m going to suggest that a spanking should be in order. Possibly for both of you. \*(very young children should not be spanked) ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/22 "2002-11-22T21:09:37Z")
What would anyone expect from the likes of **Joe Cool** or **Jersey\_Diamond**? Terrible people, like Fundamentalists, make terrible parents. Thier kids will grow up as malformed, ignorant and as evil as these two are, their asses scarred from beatings and their heads filled to the brim with superstitious nonsense. Someone needs to come up with a fundamentalist baptizing pool that automatically sterilizes all who step into it. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/23 "2002-11-22T21:25:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by nswgru1 \* > \*\*It might be but I doubt it. Perhaps when you grow a fucking clue you might be able to identify humor. I doubt that also. \*\* I’m seriously thinking of putting a Loser-\>Adult lexicon First entry would be Loser says “Maybe you’ll learn to identify humor someday.” An adult would say: I said something stupid and/or offensive. I apologize. Hmmm…thread idea. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/24 "2002-11-22T21:30:10Z")
Ya know, I don’t have children. Perhaps someday - not yet. However, I am in school training to be a Psychologist. A crisis counselor, in fact. If I had a child phone me at a crisis line and tell me they were being beaten with a belt, I would recommend that they were removed from the home in a second. Swatting a kid in the butt when they’ve misbehaved is one thing. Beating them with a belt is something else completely. And for the record, my mom used to hit me when I was a kid (hit - not spank). She stopped when I got much bigger than she is, and started hitting back. You reap what you sew. P.S. **Ginger** - I’ve met you and yer boy - I can say with confidence that your superb mothering has gone a long way to counteract any ill influence from yer ex - yer boy is a sweety. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/25 "2002-11-22T21:39:26Z")
Ginger have yer been hangin’ with salty ol’ sea captains again 🙂 Yar ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/26 "2002-11-22T21:47:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BottledBlondJeanie \* > \*\*Ginger have yer been hangin’ with salty ol’ sea captains again 🙂 > > \*\* Now that’s no way to talk about **Dave** … 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/27 "2002-11-22T21:51:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by nswgru1 \* > \*\*I trust you will successfully make your children fearful, dangerously submissive, a girl child will most likely be susceptible to abusive relationships \*\* What is with this and **mindlist** in the other thread? Is **jarbaby** attracting sexual-fantasy red herrings from assholes somehow? ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/28 "2002-11-22T21:51:26Z")
BottleBlond, perhaps you missed the part where most of us said we said HAND SPANKING IS OK. I have no doubt that a swat on the ass will have lasting psychological effects or turn a child dangerously submissive, but Jersey Diamond’s brutal story of being beaten with a switch until she was covered with welts is a different story, wouldn’t you say? ---
**Author:** ![Primaflora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Primaflora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Primaflora)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/29 "2002-11-22T21:59:07Z")
Fucking sickening. I’m of the no-smacking school of thought because I don’t think hitting people, no matter what size they are, is a good thing. I’ve never found that I needed to hit my kids to teach them to leave stoves and the like alone. But this is in the category of child abuse. I’m also at a loss to comprehend how if smacking is so effective that it should be part of the armorentarium of all parents or our kids will be nasty tantrumming brats why anyone would need to escalate to using belts and sticks. And before anyone tells me I must have easy kids, bear in mind that both my kids are diagnosed on the autistic spectrum. One was extremely violent between the years of 4 and 8. Hitting him would have simply legitimised his own violence. The other one is completely non-violent and always has been. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/30 "2002-11-22T22:00:27Z")
And perhaps that was an overly harsh reaction to your post. I just took you saying “middle ground” as meaning the rest of us were saying to wrap our child in swaths of candy and hugs, when really ALL of us are on the middle ground agreeing that discipline is important, but leaving marks or instilling FEAR is not necessary. Is that a better way to put it? ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/31 "2002-11-22T22:07:06Z")
Actually **jar** that was put in there for **newsgru** not you. OK? Sorry if you interrpreted it as directed towards you. But I still think I come in on the middle, because one side is NO SPANKING and the other is what the lovely pair suggest is OK. And butt spanking to me should hurt, but not HURT. Some people who agree that a butt spanking can be ok do not agree that it should hurt. And this: > [@](#): > > but Jersey Diamond’s brutal story of being beaten with a switch until she was covered with welts is a different story, wouldn’t you say? Was pretty much answered _before_ you asked when I said: > [@](#): > > Spanking with switches and belts is pretty much abuse. Chill…it’s just an issue I feel strongly middle-of-the-road about 🙂 Oh and, that sea captain thing was for **Alice** not **Ginger** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/32 "2002-11-22T22:08:15Z")
After posting that last \*\*jar[/], saw your post, we’re cool. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/33 "2002-11-22T22:36:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BottledBlondJeanie \* > \*\*Oh and, that sea captain thing was for **Alice** not **Ginger** 🙂 \*\* If only you knew the irony of this statement… ---
**Author:** ![More\_Cowbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@More\_Cowbell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/More_Cowbell)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/34 "2002-11-22T22:52:57Z")
[Just in case](http://www.preventchildabusenj.org/) they decide to be fruitful and multiply. ---
**Author:** ![Primaflora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Primaflora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Primaflora)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/35 "2002-11-22T23:03:19Z")
Sadly there’s already a child involved ☹ makes you wanna weep doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/36 "2002-11-22T23:05:04Z")
Hmm … not having been hit with a belt by my parents doesn’t seem to have had any adverse effects on me… I don’t run around drinking all day, I’m not promiscuous, I don’t club baby seals… Some of my father’s siblings, OTOH, got real shit treatment and didn’t turn out so well (unless you want to argue that being a pedophile/beating one’s children for no reason is a good thing). My mother got the whole “beaten with whips/sticks/switches” thing and that’s one big reason we never saw her parents much when I was growing up. Want to teach your child fear, resentment and that physical violence/superiority establishes who’s right? Go with JD and J\_C on this one. Want to have kids who respect you not out of fear but because you’re worthy of respect? Be a real parent. Anyone can whip a four-year-old. How many can _raise_ one? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/37 "2002-11-22T23:13:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Hmm … not having been hit with a belt by my parents doesn’t seem to have had any adverse effects on me… On the other hand, having been hit with a belt - and other things - by my parents doesn’t seem to have had any adverse effects on _me_. In my opinion, people are greatly overreacting in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/38 "2002-11-22T23:14:06Z")
This whole idea that leaving marks is what indicates abuse and using fore multipliers without leaving marks is horse shit. My aunt could torture kids and never leave a mark. She raised a couple of sniveling moral cowards that are bullies when no one stops them, just like she is. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/39 "2002-11-22T23:39:31Z")
My mother went through a phase where she used a belt on my bare butt. No, I don’t think people here are overreacting. If I ever see a parent doing something similar to a child, I will do my utmost to stop it, at total disregard to my safety. It didn’t teach me obedience. It just taught me terror. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214/40 "2002-11-22T23:51:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lee \* > \*\*This whole idea that leaving marks is what indicates abuse and using fore multipliers without leaving marks is horse shit. My aunt could torture kids and never leave a mark. She raised a couple of sniveling moral cowards that are bullies when no one stops them, just like she is. \*\* I think that this is an important point. I think perhaps the point some of us are trying to make is that a little smack on the ass for pulling a pot off the stove is different than the humiliating torture of having to go out back, cut your own switch and being so instinctually afraid of that that you try to run away. It’s possible to be the most abusive of all with words, neglect or silence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-and-jersey-diamond-match-made-in-hell/138214.md?page=3)