# Joe\_Cool, you are a liar and a bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2002, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732 "2002-10-10T21:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/1 "2002-10-10T21:10:01Z")
I have had my absolute limit with the festering pustule of Christian hypocrisy called **Joe\_Cool**. In this[thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=138625&perpage=50&pagenumber=1), **Joe\_Cool** posted > [@](#): > > And to Truth Seeker, RexDart, and quixotic78 - I agree with your point here completely. His4ever was verbally raped by this message board (Kirkland, MrVisible, gobear, guinastasia, vanilla, cjhoworth, to name a select few), Further on, when challenged on the gross insensitivity of his comment, he posted > [@](#): > > It’s amazing how all these supposedly educated and intelligent people are completely unaware that words can have more than a single connotation > \ > 2 b : unlawful sexual intercourse by force or threat other than by a man with a woman > A valid definition, indeed, but not the only one by any means. > > 3 : an outrageous violation. Now this is also pretty much what I was getting at, along with stripping of value. > > Come on, I took dictionary skills in 3rd grade. Are you telling me that I’m the only one around here who passed it? What a fucking liar **Joe\_Cool** is! He knew exactly the meaning he intended to convey, yet when busted, he lacks the balls to apologize or stand by his words. What a gutless worm. He’s a hypocrite. He condemns people for not meekly taking abuse from **His4Ever** , yet when he is challenged, he posts the most hateful, vile drivel in the thread. Oh, but he’s a Christian, so it’s all right, he’s forgiven. How convenient never to have to take responsiblity for one’s words. One can be as hateful, as dishonest, as racist as one pleases, but it’s OK because you can always have Jesus take the rap. Why don’t you shove that Bible up your ass, for all the good it does you? You are a bad person and a very poor advertisement for Christian faith. You are a whited sepulchre, pretending to be holy and virtuous when all you do is use Jesus as a shield for your nasty, evil comments. Sure, I’m being really awful in thsi Pit thread, but I don’t pretend that my heart has been regenerated by god, and I take responsibility for my actions. Hell, I even aplogize when I’m wrong. You haven’t apologized even when you were shown that Jack Chick is a liar. Hypocrite! Moreover, **Joe\_Cool** is a bigot. In this[thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=137246&pagenumber=4), he posted > [@](#): > > Now to be fair, a bit of disclosure is in order: I do not know any Palestinians (or Americans of Palestinian descent) personally. > \ > So in my limited experience, I have found Palestinians to be a very hateful people, and while I have tried not to let that bias find its way into my views on the middle east, I acknowledge that it may have. That’s called _racism_, asshole! You are a foul, disgusting excuse for a human being. You’re garbage wrapped in human skin, and if there is a God, She is going to kick the living shit out of you for your associating Her with your hate, your bigotry,and your lies. I’m so pissed off that I want to swear, but I don’t want to subject innocent people to the white-hot, actinic radiation of my profanity. Don’t look unless you are prepared to enter the abyss. you have been warned. Suck the rancid, feculent, pus-filled maggots from a dead monkey’s shit-smeared ass, you disgusting pile of dog vomit! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/2 "2002-10-10T21:18:10Z")
Still, **JerseyDiamond** loves him, so possibly there’s some aspect of **Joe\_Cool** ’s personality that isn’t utterly reprehensible and loathsome. Maybe he likes dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/3 "2002-10-10T21:22:19Z")
As one of those who Mr. **Cool** accuses of being a “verbal rapist” for being rude to **His4Ever** , let me just say I am unmoved. She can still fuck off as far as I’m concerned. And **Joe** , you, sir, can still bite me. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/4 "2002-10-10T21:25:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Still, JerseyDiamond loves him, so possibly there’s some aspect of Joe\_Cool’s personality that isn’t utterly reprehensible and loathsome. And _that’s_ a mitigating factor? That only heaps more fuel to the fire in my estimation. That’s the equivalent of saying **His4Ever** thinks he’s a Good Christian. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/5 "2002-10-10T22:50:22Z")
The working title for my last post in that thread (exposing his lie that Palestinians in Paterson, NJ took to the streets in celebration on 9/11) was “Liar? Bigot? Why choose?” ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2002, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/6 "2002-10-10T23:19:45Z")
I was going to ask gobear how could expect less from JerseyDiamond’s fiance, but Homebrew sort of beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/7 "2002-10-11T00:36:25Z")
Well, I was thinking more that **Joe\_Cool** must have some element in him that is lovable, but, yeah, Eva Braun as a girlfriend really is no credit to him. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/8 "2002-10-11T00:43:49Z")
Ten bucks says he comes in here and whines to the mods about how this is proof that the SDMB (and society in general, for that matter), thinks it’s okay to bash Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/9 "2002-10-11T01:20:10Z")
I thought this thread was about the '[_Joe Cool Snoopy_’](http://www.stampabilities.com/peanuts/F1078%20Joe%20Cool%20Snoopy.gif). [sub]I’m leaving now, quit pushing.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/10 "2002-10-11T01:48:52Z")
**Joe\_Cool** , when you do make it in here, maybe you can clarify something for me: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Joe\_Cool_ > It’s amazing how all these supposedly educated and intelligent people are completely unaware that words can have more than a single connotation! Now I know the purpose of this thread is to rip you a new asshole, not to continue the debate, but I’ll post it here anyway just in case I want to use the word “fuck”. Now then, the above are _your words_, not mine. You have admitted that words don’t have to mean the same thing every time you say them, that meaning can depend on context. Now, with that in mind, I ask you: Is it totally beyond the realm of possibility that, since the Bible is made of _WORDS_, that your interpretation of what those words mean, as well as your girlfriend’s and **His4ever** , might _ **not be the only interpretation that exists?!?!?** _ And if there is only one “correct” interpretation of the words that make up the Bible, is it entirely inconceivable that yours might _not be that special correct one?!?!_ Don’t weasel, just give a sincere answer to this question, and I’ll be so happy. ---
**Author:** ![happyheathen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5e925/32.png) [@happyheathen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happyheathen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/11 "2002-10-11T02:17:57Z")
another bash-the-bigot-fundie thread? this is getting **so** passe… ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/12 "2002-10-11T02:36:50Z")
Aw, well…some of us still love 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/13 "2002-10-11T03:10:24Z")
A pit thread all my own? And I didn’t get you anything…Gosh, I’m so embarrassed! 😊 I’m sure if this wasn’t so hysterical, I’d be upset, but to be honest, I’m more entertained than insulted. Keep 'em coming, this is good! ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/14 "2002-10-11T03:13:10Z")
Right with ya, **happyheathen**. By the way, why is it that some people think they’re so frickin’ clever to refer to god as “she” and “her”, like **gobear** does in his OP? Does he think that’s a really original and witty way to attack a Christian? I can almost visualize him writing it in male pronouns originally and then thinking “haha, I should change that to female pronouns just to piss off **Joe\_Cool** , I bet that will really get his goat!” Well, I guess I should just bow down to the power of **gobear** ’s mighty wit. Get the frick over yourself, **gobear**. You act like **H4E** ’s posts were a crime against humanity. She was just another person with another opinion. If you want to say it was ill-informed, stubborn, wrongheaded, or ignorant…well, that’s what this board is for. That isn’t what you did. Sorry if I show a little sympathy for some person who, no matter how I disagreed with her, did not deserve the vitriolic _personal_ hatred she received at the hands of many on this board, **gobear** one of the foremost in my recollection. You frickin’ _baited_ her into giving opinions on the homosexuality issue, even after she said it wasn’t a central issue for her and admitted she wasn’t well suited to that sort of argument, because you _craved_ the conflict. You called her the most violent, disgusting, insulting things in the book and probably loved every minute of it…and now you are chomping at the bit to do it all over again against **Joe\_Cool**. **H4E** ’s flaw was not being truly articulable in discussion, perhaps **Joe\_Cool** ’s flaw is not understanding inconsistencies within his own position. My own flaw is that I’m often too blunt about stating my opinion. We all have flaws, yourself included **gobear**. Frankly, I’d rather have a hundred the likes of those two than even one of you. For all their flaws, for all that most people here consider them misguided or outright wrong, I at least think those two are trying to contribute something to this board. Their words are motivated by a genuine intention, wrong or right. You, on the other hand, are the most hateful, rage-filled person I have ever encountered. All you do is make personal insults and tear people down. **H4E** and **Joe\_Cool** are not microcosms for every pithy little argument you ever had in real life with some fundie Christian. They’re not just punching bags, here for you to take out your pent-up rage and obsession with those people you think are slighting you in life. They’re real frickin’ people, and they deserve to be treated as such. If you think they aren’t treating _you_ the right way, then point it out and show you can be the bigger man by being respectful. Instead you just spew seething hatred in vile, digusting globs. **gobear** , for once in your life, do something constructive: cool off, deal with your personal issues, take a hiatus from threads about that topic, come back and let cooler heads prevail. Otherwise, I’d rather you just shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/15 "2002-10-11T03:34:11Z")
> [@](#): > > You, on the other hand, are the most hateful, rage-filled person I have ever encountered. All you do is make personal insults and tear people down. Apparently you missed the part where **Joe\_Cool** lied, smearing the Arab citizens of Paterson, NJ, accusing them of cheering 9/11. You also clearly missed the many lies **Joe\_Cool** has told about gay people, and his gross distortions of Biblical teachings. If you wish to cuddle with racists and liars, you do so. We wil know you for what you are. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/16 "2002-10-11T03:50:55Z")
That’s it, RexDart. Cozy on up to the liars and bigots. They’ll love you for who you are. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/17 "2002-10-11T03:58:08Z")
After reading over the thread again… gobear, hasn’t the concept of race been pretty thoroughly debunked? How can you then call me a racist if there is no such thing as race? And I wasn’t aware that there _ **was** _ ever thought to be a “Palestinian” race, I thought it was just negroid, caucasoid, and mongoloid. You sure do seem to have a selective memory when it suits you. > [@](#): > > You haven’t apologized even when you were shown that Jack Chick is a liar. Hypocrite! I should apologize for Jack Chick’s lies? What is this, that collective guilt thing? Last time I checked I wasn’t Jack Chick, and if you had bothered to actually read the thread that got you so fired up, you’d see that I don’t read Jack Chick, either. Apologize? Not likely. Shouldn’t I be a nationalist or antinationalist or something? And that was an admirable move, the way you creatively \ the actual meaning from my quotation like that. You, sir, are a truly skilled debater. You know, gobear, you can bash me all you want - it’s meaningless to me. But the reprehensible way you talk about my fiancee really makes this business of being a Christian difficult. If you want to attack her views, that’s your business, but it takes a real piece of shit to spew out these personal attacks because you don’t like her religious beliefs. I’d like to say I’m above getting angry over such childish behavior, but sadly I’m not. You’re a very little man and I can’t believe I actually respected you at one point. I feel dirty. Love your enemies. Don’t repay evil for evil. So gobear, you gonna make it out to the Jersey dopefest next weekend? I’d really like to meet you face to face, instead of from behind the keyboard for a change (things are so different that way, aren’t they?), so that I can see just who the enemy is that I’m commanded to love. **cuauhtemoc** : > [@](#): > > Is it totally beyond the realm of possibility that, since the Bible is made of WORDS, that your interpretation of what those words mean, as well as your girlfriend’s and His4ever, might not be the only interpretation that exists?!?!? And if there is only one “correct” interpretation of the words that make up the Bible, is it entirely inconceivable that yours might not be that special correct one?!?! Don’t weasel, just give a sincere answer to this question, and I’ll be so happy. Is it possible that there are other interpretations? Uh, is this a trick question? Of course there are other interpretations. That was the point of the thread. And yes, it’s possible that mine isn’t the special correct one. But mine is the (so far) end result of reading and studying the bible for a lot of years, and while it’s still subject to modification as long as I’m alive, I’m fairly confident that I have the gist of it down. Otherwise, do you really think I would want to bring down this heap of garbage on my head? BTW, thanks, **Green Bean** , you’re pretty swell too. 🙂 Ditto for RexDart. Thanks. Upon preview, I see there have been more replies. gobear said: > [@](#): > > Apparently you missed the part where Joe\_Cool lied, smearing the Arab citizens of Paterson, NJ, accusing them of cheering 9/11. News Flash: **I WAS THERE** , and I saw it. I’m not accusing anything, I’m an f-ing eye witness. I lived five minutes from Paterson by car and 15 on foot. I walked through downtown every single day for 2 years. Smearing and lies? But I guess minty green and google trump my own two eyes. :rolleyes: My lies about gay people? Let’s see…you first claim that gay people are downtrodden and oppressed, with no rights, then only days later posted again that gay people are happy, successful, and content. Which is it? But I’m the liar. (what lies did I tell about you, anyway?) And finally, I did not distort biblical teaching about homosexuality. It’s all there in black and white. If you don’t accept the bible’s authority, wonderful for you. But don’t tell me it doesn’t say it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/18 "2002-10-11T04:12:58Z")
Did that rabid dog get loose again, Joe? Geez, he’s always wandering of the Rez. 😃 I would have given a ten yard penalty for the verbal rape thing, but seeing as he called your fiancee Eva Braun… ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/19 "2002-10-11T04:15:24Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > \*\*Is it possible that there are other interpretations? Uh, is this a trick question? Of course there are other interpretations. That was the point of the thread. And yes, it’s possible that mine isn’t the special correct one. But mine is the (so far) end result of reading and studying the bible for a lot of years, and while it’s still subject to modification as long as I’m alive, I’m fairly confident that I have the gist of it down. > Otherwise, do you really think I would want to bring down this heap of garbage on my head?_\\* > > And finally, I did not distort biblical teaching about homosexuality. It’s all there in black and white. If you don’t accept the bible’s authority, wonderful for you. But don’t tell me it doesn’t say it. \*\* These two pieces of your post appear contradictory to me. The point of my question was precisely that it’s _not_ as “black and white” as you seem to hold. Nevertheless, I appreciate your sincere response, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/20 "2002-10-11T04:43:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\* > Apparently you missed the part where **Joe\_Cool** lied, smearing the Arab citizens of Paterson, NJ, accusing them of cheering 9/11. You also clearly missed the many lies **Joe\_Cool** has told about gay people, and his gross distortions of Biblical teachings. > \*\* I saw the part about the Arab citizens. My particular stance on Arab-related issues is pretty upfront, I’ve mentioned any number of times that I support the liberation of the Palestinian people and a reconciliation between our government and the Arab penninsula. I find **Joe\_Cool** ’s position distasteful, and if he lies either unintentionally or stretched the facts with the intention of stirring up pro-Zionist anti-Arab sentiment, then call him on it. What you should not do is spout out a load of offensive, vulgar, disgusting, violent personal insults. This isn’t about the position held, as far as I’m concerned, this is about the way you are responding to it. BTW, as an athiest watching these things with no vested interest, I must say that you’re jumping the gun to call what he says “gross distortions of Biblical teachings.” Those teachings seem to be hotly in dispute, so I hardly consider the matter settled. So, I’m supposed to side against **Joe\_Cool** just because he’s made some factual errors and continues to hold a tenable, though contested and unpopular, viewpoint? So that’s supposed to justify your rage-filled rantings and vitriolic filth? Not for me it doesn’t, others can weigh those scales on a balance of their own design. > [@](#): > > \*\* > If you wish to cuddle with racists and liars, you do so. We wil know you for what you are. \*\* Cuddle? Do you see me lavishing praise and love upon those you call the “racists and liars”? All I’m doing is attacking what I consider to be an overzealous, hateful, vile assault against those people. If you proposed the death penalty for people who committed armed robbery, and I opposed that action, would I be endorsing armed robbery? Not at all. Was everyone who spoke out against McCarthyism a Communist? Not at all. You will know me for what I am? I’m neither a Christian nor anti-Arab, so I share nothing in positions with **Joe\_Cool**. I’m opposed to those positions. So what are you implying? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732.md?page=2)