# Joe\_Cool, you are a liar and a bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2002, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732 "2002-10-10T21:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/61 "2002-10-11T22:16:08Z")
I saw this in an e-mail recently; thought it was appropriate: “Oh, your life sucks? There’s a support group for that; it’s called everybody – they meet at the bar.” ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/62 "2002-10-11T22:19:34Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Velma \* \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RexDart \* > \*\* > > What? Why is referring to God as “she” an insult? God is not “male” or “female”. I realize it may be traditional to refer to God as male, but the Bible uses female language to describe God in many instances. (ex. “El Shaddai”, “Shad” = female breast.)Why would anyone take offense to referring to God as “she?” Unless you consider “she” to be a weaker name, somehow. \*\* My point wasn’t that it _is_ an insult, rather that **gobear** said “she” and “her” hoping to get **Joe\_Cool** ’s dander up about it. Many non-fundie types think that all fundies get a stick in their bum over that, so I suspect that it was **gobear** ’s intention to do just that. Since the traditional usage is male, and the more theologically accurate usage would be gender neutral “it”, I can think of little other reason that someone would go out of their way to use “she”, since it’s no more accurate than “he.” In short, some people refer to god as “she” in conversation just to get someone riled up, like pro-choicers might call the opposition anti-choice, or pro-lifers might call their opposition anti-life or pro-abortion. It’s an intentional usage of an uncommon turn of phrase that, regardless of merit, is used only to piss off your opponent because you perceive that person to be sensitive over that usage. And I’ve seen that done often enough with “she” for god that I no longer consider that a very insightful or witty remark. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/63 "2002-10-11T22:26:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\* > What imagined garbage? read the OP; I’m not busting you for your views on gays–I’m busting you because you > > A. Accused **Kirkland, MrVisible, Guinastasia, Vanilla, Cjhoworth,** and me of being verbal rapists, and then you tried to weasel out of it by claiming you meant soemthing else. > \*\* It’s a frickin’ metaphor. Get over it. Murder is worse than rape, and plenty of people use murder in analogies and figures of speech. The character Merlin in _Excalibur_ said “When you lie, you murder some part of the world.” You want to post a pit thread on him, too? When it comes down to it, rape is a violent exploitation of another human being. Considering the sexual overtones of such a metaphor, I would probably say it’s in bad taste. Still, it’s not as if he called you actual physical rapists. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/64 "2002-10-11T22:31:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > \*\*I saw this in an e-mail recently; thought it was appropriate: > > “Oh, your life sucks? There’s a support group for that; it’s called everybody – they meet at the bar.” \*\* That one is pretty good too. My other favorite is a lyric from the song “Gotta Kill Captain Stupid” by Suicidal Tendencies: > [@](#): > > Oh what’s that? > So now you say your life sucks? > Well 99% of it’s what you make of it, > So if your life sucks, YOU suck! Incidentally, are you going to be at the Jersey dopefest next weekend? It’d be good to see you there. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/65 "2002-10-11T22:42:57Z")
**Joe** , I wish you all the happiness that marriage to **Jersey\_Diamond** can possibly provide to you. If I needed proof that people get what they deserve, that union is enough to do it. You two really do deserve each other. Now say something self-righteous, you indignant prig. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/66 "2002-10-11T23:25:51Z")
> [@](#): > > My point wasn’t that it is an insult, rather that gobear said “she” and “her” hoping to get Joe\_Cool’s dander up about it. Many non-fundie types think that all fundies get a stick in their bum over that, so I suspect that it was gobear’s intention to do just that. Actually, I’ve been reading a book on pre-Christian Europe and the discovery of female ifols like the Willendorf Venus. The “She” seems natural, since God must share the nature of half the human race. Next time, ask instead of theorizing. > [@](#): > > However, given that I have had the opportunity to witness the way he treats anyone who does not coddle him and his views, reassuring him that everything he says is right and true, What self-serving bullshit. I get into disagreements with people over politics, art, and which Pink Floyd song is best. If everybody agreed with everybody else, this board would cease to exist. and especially given the way he spews personal insults at my fiancee in a pathetic attempt to hurt me, I wonder whether I’d have the strength to treat him with the respect I would have previously. > [@](#): > > However, keep in mind that my opinion of and dislike for him spawn not from his atheism and not from his homosexuality, but from the fact that he appears to be an incredible jerk. This from somebody who makes blanket, bigoted statements about whole ethnic groups. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > It’s a shame that he has been mistreated in his life, but hey, I have yet to meet a human being who has not. In that respect, his sob story is no different from anybody else’s, except for the fact that most people do not feel the need to persecute the rest of the world for their problems, and accept it as simply part of life What sob story? You keep saying that. My beef with fundies is the documented efforts of your co-religionists to enact antigay legislation. That’s not a sob story–it’s the simple truth. > [@](#): > > I am absolutely freaking sick of your stupid claims that I have said this or that, when they are NOT TRUE. Such as your claim that I said all homosexuals hate themselves or whatever garbage that was. Quite a clever response to your lack of evidence: “It must have been lost in the last board crash, along with my response.” You said it, and I responded. When I find it, you will apologize. In any event, you have neatly sidestepped the OP, in which you were busted for your bigoted comments in GD and your casual use of rape as a metaphor. Are you going to acknowledge and apologize? Or will you pretend you’re not an anti-Palestinian bigot? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2002, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/67 "2002-10-11T23:48:48Z")
Fair enough, **Joe**. However, I really think you need to reconsider your stance on Chick tracts-at least, in as far as you don’t really seem to have a problem with them. I find them absolutely hysterical, (they are so MST3Kish!) but when people take them seriously, they are listening to horrible lies. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/68 "2002-10-12T00:00:22Z")
Fair enough, **Joe**. However, I really think you need to reconsider your stance on Chick tracts-at least, in as far as you don’t really seem to have a problem with them. I find them absolutely hysterical, (they are so MST3Kish!) but when people take them seriously, they are listening to horrible lies. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/69 "2002-10-12T00:47:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > \*\*I am absolutely freaking sick of your stupid claims that I have said this or that, when they are NOT TRUE. Such as your claim that I said all homosexuals hate themselves or whatever garbage that was. Quite a clever response to your lack of evidence: “It must have been lost in the last board crash, along with my response.” > > Are you on drugs, son? You’re so desperate to pin your persecution fantasies on me that you are willing to stoop to that level? Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. \*\* **Joe** , that exchange did take place. I read it, I know many others here must have read it. It was in the GD thread entitled “What will it take for homosexuals to gain acceptance.” You know damn well what you said, and it is truly pathetic that you are trying to weasel out of it because it was deleted when the board crashed. I can not be the only one who remembers this, everyone who read that shit needs to let **Joe** know that he can’t get away with his lies. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/70 "2002-10-12T01:07:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **You said it, and I responded. When I find it, you will apologize.** I’m sure I will. I’ll just wait right here until you find it, shall I? > [@](#): > > \*\*In any event, you have neatly sidestepped the OP, in which you were busted for your bigoted comments in GD and your casual use of rape as a metaphor. Are you going to acknowledge and apologize? Or will you pretend you’re not an anti-Palestinian bigot? \*\* Yes I am anti-Palestinian. Have I ever denied it, or why do you act like you’ve caught me in a trap? That is my position. I pity the Palestinian people for the way that they have been used as propaganda and leverage by their Arab “brothers” and their leaders against Israel, but I don’t see why they should be handed Jerusalem or anything at all, as long as they keep up their attacks. Additionally, to my knowledge, there are a number of people of Palestinian descent who live and work happily in Israel, and even who participate in the government. There is no reason why the rest of them could not have done so as well, except that they were led by their fellow Arabs and people like Arafat to fight for more, with the promise of Israel’s territory after their downfall dangled in front of them like a carrot in front of a horse. If they want something, they can peacefully bargain for it or else purchase it, the same as anybody else. And I don’t feel that they are entitled But I am not a bigot. Why is it so hard to understand that it is possible to have opinions of a group without judging the individuals in that group? I don’t like the Dallas Cowboys. I enjoy it when they lose. I no longer follow them, but the last time I did, I noticed that they, as a group, acted like a bunch of criminals and ill-behaved jerks. Now, do I know any Dallas Cowboys? Have I met them, had dinner with them, etc? Of course not. But that doesn’t change the fact that the silver and blue uniforms and the star on the helmet effectively represent the individuals who wear them, and vice versa. Likewise, the encounters I have had and the news I have seen about Palestinians as a group (not having met an individual) have all been negative. The group and those who speak for it behave badly and do not represent themselves well. The day I meet a Palestinian individual in a personal setting, I will treat him or her the same as any other person I might meet and will judge him or her as an individual, the same as with any other person. I am not Archie Bunker, getting out a plate of fried chicken because I hear they like to snack on it, and I would be no more or less happy to make the acquaintance or friendship of a Palestinian than I would any other individual. But I will not support the Palestinian People, based on their actions against Israel, and I will not spend my day arguing whether or not I’m a bigot - this is the last I will say on the matter. If it’s not sufficient to convince you, gobear, I really don’t care. The only difference between you and me on this issue is that I’m man enough to publicly disclose and acknowledge my personal bias in the debate. You are not. You claim to have no bias, which is a load of manure. No matter how enlightened you claim to be, all people have bias. Some of us face and admit our bias, then try to overcome it, and others, like you, deny it exists and then indulge it with these hateful diatribes in the pit. And to Collounsbury, who said that Palestinians are friendly to strangers and would not dream of treating one the way I “claim” to have been treated - Do you deny that you are you making a sweeping statement about an entire people without regard to individual variation, the same as I did? All Palestinians are hospitable? Are the Israelis killed in shopping mall bombs not strangers? Disgusting hypocrite. You, sir, are the racist here. You obviously have no problem with the idea that all members of a group have some social trait or other based on nothing more than what group they are a part of. You seem to think it’s ok to say “all X are good,” when in fact that is no more or less racist than “All X are bad” (which, in fact, I did not say). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/71 "2002-10-12T01:25:06Z")
Well, **Mr. Visible** , it’s like they say, there must be someone for everyone. Say, have you met **Gobear?** You two could join up and start the gay crusade! _The Gay Knights of the Templar! Kneel and be served, knave!_ **Joe** , I don’t know. I’ll be getting back from Canada around then. E-mail me and we’ll see if I can swing a ride with somebody – It’s further than I’ve been in Jersey. Scary stuff. Oh, and **Gobear?** Nice job making me laugh as always: > [@](#): > > This from somebody who makes blanket[sic], bigoted statements about whole ethnic groups > [@](#): > > My beef with fundies is the documented efforts of your co-religionists to enact antigay legislation. Could you be a bigger ass? Just wondering. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/72 "2002-10-12T01:31:32Z")
Fundies aren’t san ethnic group, **Ace** , they are people of the same ideological bent, self-identifying by their shared beleifs. Learn to make a proper analogy, wouldja? **Grendel72** , thanks. Joe has to learn to stop lying when he gets called on what he says. I knew I hadn’t hallucinated that exchange. **Joe** , your post deserves a proper response (and I promise to keep my language G rated. Well, PG-13, anyway). More to come. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/73 "2002-10-12T01:38:10Z")
I see. So stereotypes apply, then? :rolleyes: I’m sure many have said this to you before: What a truly beautiful person you are, Gobear. Hope you find a porter for all that psychic baggage. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/74 "2002-10-12T01:43:52Z")
> [@](#): > > I see. So stereotypes apply, then? No, see my previous response. Fundies are self-organized on the basis of sharing common beliefs, which makes an analogy with racial prejudice ridiculous. That you can’t (or won’t) see this speaks volumes about your intellect. > [@](#): > > I’m sure many have said this to you before: What a truly beautiful person you are, Gobear. Hope you find a porter for all that psychic baggage What baggage? I’m calling Joe on his statements. That you are siding with him and supporting his bigotry says what a beautiful person YOU are. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/75 "2002-10-12T01:54:33Z")
It’s funny…I didn’t remember ever posting in that thread. So I did a search on my username, in all forums, over the last year, and guess what I found! I didn’t post in that thread. And I’ve never said anything like that. So while I don’t doubt that you may have had that exchange, I’m telling you that you didn’t have it with me. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/76 "2002-10-12T03:01:04Z")
> [@](#): > > And I’ve never said anything like that. So while I don’t doubt that you may have had that exchange, I’m telling you that you didn’t have it with me Lacking the smoking gun, I’m going to withdraw the charge. Now back to the OP and your response > [@](#): > > Additionally, to my knowledge, there are a number of people of Palestinian descent who live and work happily in Israel, and even who participate in the government. Are there Israeli Arabs? Sure. Do they live happily? According to http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Society\_&\_Culture/sikkuy2000.html"] Sikkuy a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization in Israel, there is widespread discrimination against Israel’s Arab citizens. > [@](#): > > There is no reason why the rest of them could not have done so as well, except that they were led by their fellow Arabs and people like Arafat to fight for more, with the promise of Israel’s territory after their downfall dangled in front of them like a carrot in front of a horse. If they want something, they can peacefully bargain for it or else purchase it, the same as anybody else. And I don’t feel that they are entitled Bear in mind the Palestinians were dispossessed of their lands in 1948, so they might just feel “entitled” to compensation for the land they lost. You comparison between the Dallas Cowboys and the Palestinians is just…words fail me. If you do not see that racial bigotry is not the same as disapproving of the actions of football players (For one thing, you’re dealing with one hell of a disparity in population sampling), then no arguments put forth here are going to do much good. > [@](#): > > But I will not support the Palestinian People, based on their actions against Israel, See, it’s NOT the Palestinian people, it’s suicide bombers and extremeist groups in their midst who are responsible for the appalling violence in Israel. (I don’t support them either, nbeing bvery pro-Israel, but I’m not blind to the facts.) [quote] he only difference between you and me on this issue is that I’m man enough to publicly disclose and acknowledge my personal bias in the debate. [quote] So you admit you’re a bigot, good. Admitting you have a problem is the first step toward healing. > [@](#): > > You are not. You claim to have no bias, which is a load of manure. No matter how enlightened you claim to be, all people have bias. Some of us face and admit our bias, then try to overcome it, and others, like you, deny it exists and then indulge it with these hateful diatribes in the pit Uh, calling you out in the Pit is not “bias”. I have biases like anybody else, but I don’t think I have an anti-Joe\_Cool bias. I admit being biased against bigoted knuckleheads–there I admit you might be vulnerable. There is no reason why the rest of them could not have done so as well, except that they were led by their fellow Arabs and people like Arafat to fight for more, with the promise of Israel’s territory after their downfall dangled in front of them like a carrot in front of a horse. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/77 "2002-10-12T03:43:42Z")
**FTR** , perhaps that was **Uigi**? I too, don’t remember Joe saying anything like that in the thread. As for your “points” raised, I don’t support bigotry, **Gobear**. Which is why I don’t support you. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/78 "2002-10-12T03:51:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > \*\ ***Joe** , that exchange did take place. I read it, I know many others here must have read it. > It was in the GD thread entitled “What will it take for homosexuals to gain acceptance.” You know damn well what you said, and it is truly pathetic that you are trying to weasel out of it because it was deleted when the board crashed. > > I can not be the only one who remembers this, everyone who read that shit needs to let **Joe** know that he can’t get away with his lies. \*\* I’ve stayed the heck away from this thread until now, and the only reason I’m posting now is that, I too, remeber these comments from **Joe\_Cool**. I closed the thread because my blood pressure was rising, and I just don’t need that. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/79 "2002-10-12T03:52:02Z")
> [@](#): > > As for your “points” raised, I don’t support bigotry, Gobear. > > Which is why I don’t support you Ah, I’m devastated by **Ace** ’s dazzling repartee. What’s next, the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” manueuver? Busting on \*\* Joe\_Cool\*\* isn’t bigotry. Unless you’re watching **Futurama**. > [@](#): > > Bender: This is the worst kind of discrimination. The kind against me! ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2002, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732/80 "2002-10-12T04:16:37Z")
No. I do not compare disapproval of football players to racial bigotry. I use one group to illustrate that groups are judged by their representation without knowledge of individuals. You have a keen knack for finding exactly the wrong point in a metaphor. It’s too consistent for it to be accidental, and you don’t appear to be quite that stupid. So I assume it’s intentional. And I do not admit to being a bigot, as I am not. I admit to judging a group of people by their representatives. Besides, where are the anti-terrorist demonstrations in Palestine? I often see on the news and hear about rallies demonstrating against Israel, supporting this or that terrorist group, and celebrating the men and women who kill themselves in explosions with the goal of taking some Israeli citizens with them. But I have yet to hear of the brave, honest, honorable, and hospitable Palestinian people offering any denunciation of the terrorists. Where are they, and why do they not speak out in defense of the Israeli citizens that their countrymen slaughter regularly? If they do not, then they declare themselves guilty by their silence and complacence. On the whole, the Palestinians support and celebrate the violence. If I am wrong about the lack of outcry in Palestine and in the Palestinian community, then I will apologize publicly. But I won’t hold my breath. Oh, gobear, if you have a moment, there is one more little thing I’d like to discuss with you… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **Lacking the smoking gun, I’m going to withdraw the charge.** Oh, no. You don’t get off that easy. I want an apology, pal. You made a totally unfounded and false accusation, argued it vehemently and insulted me when I denied it, and when finally forced to acknowledge that you pulled it out of your posterior, the best you can say is that you’ll withdraw the charge? I don’t think so. And this from the man who wrote > [@](#): > > You said it, and I responded. When I find it, you will apologize. You are simply unbelievable. This is not even an isolated incident. Your favorite debate tactic (maybe Ace0Spades can add this into his algorithm) seems to consist of [list=a][_]make up a lie. [_]attribute lie to person I don’t like, demand apology. [_]entire discussion gets sidetracked into victim having to defend or refute statements that he did not ever make. [_]repeat as needed to demonize whoever is on my hit list today[/list=a]Since I’m sure you’re going to ask for an example, I’ll give you another one from THIS VERY THREAD! You claimed that Jerseydiamond and I are the enemies of science and insist that there was a literal six-day creation six thousand years ago. Neither of us has ever said that (though as I said before, I’m open to the possibility but don’t think there’s sufficient evidence to support any scientific description of the origins of the universe). Vanilla has, however. I linked to it yesterday, and she confirmed it. Yet I don’t see you calling her out for it. You’re really getting annoying, and your arguments are getting stale. Please, think of something new to crusade about. I’m bored with **the gay inquisition, starring gobear’s martyr complex** (coming soon to a theater near you). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joe_cool-you-are-a-liar-and-a-bigot/131732.md?page=5)