# Jogger Pushes Pedestrian into Bus Path. Whaaa? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 10, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265 "2017-08-10T18:00:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/21 "2017-08-11T08:29:32Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > šŸ˜• UK Police can only hold someone for 24 hours\* before they have to either charge them or release them. I can easily imagine a decision where the suspect is not considered a flight risk, they would release him with an investigation still to be conducted. - suspects can be held up to 96 hours for serious crimes (e.g. Murder), and up to 14 days on terrorism related offences. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/22 "2017-08-11T09:53:40Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > UK Police can only hold someone for 24 hours\* before they have to either charge them or release them. I can easily imagine a decision where the suspect is not considered a flight risk, they would release him with an investigation still to be conducted. > > - suspects can be held up to 96 hours for serious crimes (e.g. Murder), and up to 14 days on terrorism related offences. What do they mean, not a flight risk? The guyā€™s a jogger, he could be 8-12 miles away by now! ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/23 "2017-08-11T10:01:03Z")
Heā€™s probably going for an interview with the Trump administration even as we speak ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/24 "2017-08-11T12:13:11Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > Heā€™s probably going for an interview with the Trump administration even as we speak Had to have been a Tory. Theyā€™re [wreaking mayhem in America](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-subway-idUSKBN1322HH) too. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/25 "2017-08-11T13:49:04Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What do they mean, not a flight risk? The guyā€™s a jogger, he could be 8-12 miles away by now! On the assumption you are not being entirely sarcastic šŸ˜ƒ The man arrested (presumably the suspect) is 50 and living in Chelsea, so quite possibly owns his flat/home, therefore is unlikely to do a runner and hop a train/plane over to Europe. Or for all I know the cops may have seized his passport. ---
**Author:** ![Springtime\_for\_Spacers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Springtime\_for\_Spacers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Springtime_for_Spacers)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/26 "2017-08-11T14:55:08Z")
[The arrested suspect has been named](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/11/partner-at-private-equity-firm-denies-being-jogger-who-pushed-woman-into-bus). Apparently he says he can prove that he was not in the country. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/27 "2017-08-11T16:30:25Z")
This is one of those things that if it hadnā€™t been caught on tape no one would believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/28 "2017-08-11T16:33:25Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Look at the shadow line; she starts clearly in the shaded part of the walkway and seems to be moving to her left as they converge. > > He hits her with his shoulder, rather than pushing off with his hands, which maybe makes me think itā€™s inadvertent. Who knows, he could have been looking down at his fitbit and hit her by accident. And isnā€™t London going to electric buses these days? It was so quiet he didnā€™t know it was there. > > I guess Iā€™d like to find an explanation other than that someone could be such a callous bastard to a complete stranger. she wasnā€™t badly hurt, and his identity has been discovered, and the right people are looking into what happened. Thatā€™s the best we could hope from the situation, right? The sidewalk is not crowded, he actually moves to his right in order to be close enough to body-check her, there was plenty of room on his left to completely avoid her. And he was not looking down at all, his arms were swinging the whole time. From the available video it is almost certainly deliberate. He may not have known the bus was there but he knocked her into the street where it was reasonable to assume there would be a danger from traffic. The question of motive remains open until the real culprit (assuming the arrested-and-released guy isnā€™t it) is found and chooses to share his feelings. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/29 "2017-08-11T18:31:56Z")
That video is clear enough for anyone who knows the jogger to call the police and say, ā€œI think its John Doeā€. They can then follow up. A search warrant for the clothing etc. Somebody has to know this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/30 "2017-08-11T19:40:14Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > The sidewalk is not crowded, he actually moves to his right in order to be close enough to body-check her, there was plenty of room on his left to completely avoid her. Thatā€™s what I said in my first post; he moved to his right just as she moved to her left. Iā€™ve done that sort of thing before, but at a walking pace when thereā€™s time to stop. If they do find the guy, I wonder if heā€™ll turn out to be from a country that drives on the right. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/31 "2017-08-11T21:18:04Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Even if it was inadvertent, itā€™s really reckless. He was running on a busy street and has a responsibility to look out at what was coming toward him. He wouldnā€™t have been looking down at his fitbit for three minutes straight. He had to be aware that she was there. Heā€™s culpable even if this was a completely inadvertent mistake. Which does not appear to be the case at all. The unwritten etiquette of running on sidewalks and pathways is that fast yields to slow - runners dodge walkers, bikers and bladers swerve around runners. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/32 "2017-08-11T23:13:56Z")
Iā€™ve seen the video. He definitely did it on purpose, and Iā€™ll bet itā€™s going to turn out not to be the first time heā€™s done something like this - just the first time he got caught. :mad: I also did not assume that he did it because the victim was female, like some other people have. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/33 "2017-08-12T01:23:12Z")
> [@Springtime\_for\_Spacers](#): > > [The arrested suspect has been named](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/11/partner-at-private-equity-firm-denies-being-jogger-who-pushed-woman-into-bus). Apparently he says he can prove that he was not in the country. So why did he lawyer up?. This could have been cleared up in 10 mins and he wouldnā€™t have been detained. He wouldnā€™t be a suspect. "Officer give me a moment to open my phoneā€™s banking App. Here is the credit charge for my Airline reservation to America Aug xx. Here is the credit charge for my Airline reservation from America to London Aug 10. " ā€œHere are my ticket stubsā€ He could also provide the number for the hotel he stayed at. Case closed. Move on to the next suspect. Instead he hires a high dollar law firm. To do what? Airline reservations speak for themselves. Itā€™s very easy to prove when you flew to America and returned. . ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/34 "2017-08-12T01:27:45Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I wonder if this was one of those things where you move left to go around someone, but they move left at the same moment so you move right, etc., and you wind up running into each other. I presume the victim could tell the difference between an accidental knock and a push. ---
**Author:** ![Driver8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5a626/32.png) [@Driver8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Driver8)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/35 "2017-08-12T01:37:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > So why did he lawyer up? Thatā€™s not a reasonable suspicion. I would lawyer up too if I got anywhere near an accusation with severe life altering consequences. I would absolutely not put all my faith in the police having my back. Their motivations are not in complete alignment with mine. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/36 "2017-08-12T01:39:47Z")
Itā€™s hard to tell, since theyā€™re moving out of the frame just then, but it looks to me like he raises his arm just before she starts to fall. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/37 "2017-08-12T01:47:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > So why did he lawyer up?. Because heā€™s not an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/38 "2017-08-12T02:44:32Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I wonder if this was one of those things where you move left to go around someone, but they move left at the same moment so you move right, etc., and you wind up running into each other. Just judging by that shadow line on the sidewalk, it looks like the woman is trying to get out of his way at the same time he is. > > Or could just be a major asshole. Most joggers, like most bikers, are entitled assholes who think they own the street and that pedestrians are just in their way. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/39 "2017-08-12T02:56:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Most joggers, like most bikers, are entitled assholes who think they own the street and that pedestrians are just in their way. Why are the pedestrians in the street? Shouldnā€™t they be on the sidewalk? ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265/40 "2017-08-12T03:54:45Z")
Dudeā€™s a psychopath. Iā€™ve had a similar thing happen to me by some fuckwit. I was walking on the sidewalk along the beach where i came upon a jogger in an area that was slightly constricted by a sign. There was plenty of room for two people to pass. Here in America, we walk to the right, and everyone knows this. He was moving to his left, and I was moving to the right. He continued to his left and then checked me into the fence like Luc Robitaille. At least he didnā€™t try to kill me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jogger-pushes-pedestrian-into-bus-path-whaaa/793265.md?page=3)