# Johanna, enough already! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2006, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155 "2006-01-22T21:39:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/21 "2006-01-23T01:26:30Z")
I don’t have anything against **Johanna** , but sometimes the crunchy-granola lesbian transgender earth mother feminist New Agey-theme gets tiring. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/22 "2006-01-23T02:47:54Z")
I’ve noticed she brings it up from time to time. But since she and I both are interested in linguistics (and she has oodles more background than I do), I tend to notice her in GQ language questions more often. Besides, of all the threads to complain about her hijacking on issues of gender theory, a question about “are the sexes really separate” is probably at the extreme bottom of the list. There may be a valid reason for raising the issue, but not relative to that thread – since the existence of transgendered and intersexed people is a very pertinent datum to the question! As well pit **JR Delirious** for raising the issue that Puerto Ricans are in fact Americans in a thread devoted to the use of Spanish by “immigrants such as Mexicans and Puerto Ricans” in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/23 "2006-01-23T03:09:49Z")
I don’t mind people living whatever lifestyle they choose, as long as they don’t shove it in my face. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/24 "2006-01-23T03:15:38Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > I’ve noticed she brings it up from time to time. But since she and I both are interested in linguistics (and she has oodles more background than I do), … So, you’re both cunning linguists? ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/25 "2006-01-23T03:22:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t have anything against **Johanna** , but sometimes the crunchy-granola lesbian transgender earth mother feminist New Agey-theme gets tiring. I’m finding it difficult to get my head round the idea of you getting tired by anything on the SDMB. Re the topic, I think the warning signs are there when you get a transsexual poster, or a transsexual poster-elect, who chooses a female Christian name for their pseudonym. The data shows that the explicit socio-political statement inherent in that choice is the mere first-fruits of the rich harvest of opinions that is to follow. No t-s to my knowledge uses gender-neutral aliases such as ‘Cautious Croatian’, ‘Another\_Ridiculous\_Python\_Reference’, ‘Wingless Balrog’ or ‘Anesthetica’. ---
**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/26 "2006-01-23T03:46:31Z")
Just wanted to say “ditto” to the OP. Johanna, I love ya for your linguistic and historical contributions, but I think we know you’re a lesbian feminist pagan by now. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/27 "2006-01-23T04:55:13Z")
… and here was I expecting the overdue confrontation with the creeping malady that is vegetarianism. N’mind, continue. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/28 "2006-01-23T05:05:53Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > I’m finding it difficult to get my head round the idea of you getting tired by anything on the SDMB. Touche. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/29 "2006-01-23T05:36:33Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > I don’t mind people living whatever lifestyle they choose, as long as they don’t shove it in my face. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Oh yes, that’s exaaactly it. I hate all trannies and wish they would just shut up. Why don’t you try to come up with a real argument next time? > [@Polycarp](#): > > There may be a valid reason for raising the issue, but not relative to that thread – since the existence of transgendered and intersexed people is a very pertinent datum to the question! Intersexed people are sometimes included under the umbrella of transgendered, but transsexuals, people who identify as a woman despite being male, are not. Gender involves men and women, sex involves males and females. It is not very pertinent to the discussion, it is a side note. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/30 "2006-01-23T05:39:27Z")
> [@kimera](#): > > …transsexuals, people who identify as a woman despite being male… You do know that there are FTM transsexuals out there, right? (and does it change anything if you know that **lissener** ’s gay?) ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/31 "2006-01-23T06:09:25Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > You do know that there are FTM transsexuals out there, right? Yup. > [@](#): > > (and does it change anything if you know that **lissener** ’s gay?) Nope. I don’t care if anyone considers themselves gay, transsexual, a sea otter, or a pedophilic slime mold. Just stop hijacking the damn threads! ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/32 "2006-01-23T06:37:41Z")
I’m not sure about “intersexed” - sounds fun, right off the bat; will look into it - but for years I’ve been an oversexed male living in the body of an undersexed man. Just can’t seem to make the transition. ---
**Author:** ![Atheist\_Princess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e57/32.png) [@Atheist\_Princess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atheist_Princess)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/33 "2006-01-23T06:45:16Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > I don’t mind people living whatever lifestyle they choose, as long as they don’t shove it in my face. Which is exactly what she is doing. And it’s annoying. If Johanna wants to have her opinions recognised, she (he?) should open a thread for anyone that is interested in discussing her life, instead of her two cents being thrown in where it doesn’t belong. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/34 "2006-01-23T06:53:18Z")
> [@kimera](#): > > Nope. I don’t care if anyone considers themselves gay, transsexual, a sea otter, or a pedophilic slime mold. Just stop hijacking the damn threads! You eat stupid food. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/35 "2006-01-23T07:12:20Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > You eat stupid food. You eat stupid movie critic food. ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/36 "2006-01-23T07:28:16Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > You eat stupid food. You think Showgirls is a good movie. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/37 "2006-01-23T07:44:40Z")
Well, fair enough, because I was deliberately insulting you. But I was insulting you based on something you said in this thread, about this subject, which you inexplicably referred to as a hijack. Mine was lame; yours was lamer. So there. Nice hair. ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/38 "2006-01-23T07:59:29Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Well, fair enough, because I was deliberately insulting you. But I was insulting you based on something you said in this thread, about this subject, which you inexplicably referred to as a hijack. Mine was lame; yours was lamer. So there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/39 "2006-01-23T08:46:26Z")
Pffft. I’m so happy Johanna’s here, I don’t care what the fuck she says. I say this with love and empathy, but the dope is by god a timid little whitebread nerdfest. In thirty or forty years when you’re all saggy and leaking, you’ll still be doing exactly what you’re doing now - haranguing customer service reps and getting hypertensive about the morning news. You are all old farts before your time and will probably die mid-gripe. You \*need \* a brave trannie to relentlessly wave her dicklessness in your face. In fact what you need is a good lesbian Urdu recitation weekend. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/40 "2006-01-23T08:48:34Z")
> [@uglybeech](#): > > You \*need \* a brave trannie to relentlessly wave her dicklessness in your face. In fact what you need is a good lesbian Urdu recitation weekend. So far as I’m aware, J still has her dick. Lesbian Urdu recitation weekends are not all they’re cracked up to be. The local Mosque had to stop running them because of lack of interest. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155.md?page=3)