# Johanna, enough already! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2006, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155 "2006-01-22T21:39:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/61 "2006-01-23T16:00:54Z")
I’m glad there are people chiming in already for **Johanna** , because otherwise this thread would make me go a little batshit crazy myself. First off, **Big Red Username** , fuck a whole bunch of you. Did you ever get your clit pierced, btw? Some people definitely think shooting a metal rod into one’s genitals is more than a little fucking loony. You’ve got mental illness in your family and possibly in yourself, so I guess you better sign up for the batshit list too, huh. You saw somebody had **Johanna** down so you decided to come along and give her a kick, because it’s funny when people are different, and it’s even funnier when people who are different are scorned and abused. You twitty fucking nitwit, go back to browsing Hot or Not and chime in next time you have something a little less fucking inane to add to the conversation. Okay, I feel a little better now. **Johanna** often has interesting things to offer, even - especially - on the subjects of gender and women’s issues. She is informed, intelligent, articulate, and totally unabashed about who she is. In that, she is not unlike many other Dopers here, except that what they don’t hesitate to mention is, say, a child, or membership in a majority religion, or an interest in model trains. Those things are “sane” so it’s okay to talk about them pretty much unchecked. Start showing signs of being openly deviant and you get Pitted for shoving it, as **lissener** so aptly put it, in everyone’s face. Well, fuck that, and fuck the OP, I’m not even going to bother to go back and see who it was, because that’s how little I think of it. Christ, I wish we had a lot _more_ **Johanna** s around here, and a lot fewer lameoid Pitters whining that the Dope’s all full of freaks and queers these days. Yeah, shut the fuck up, I don’t care that’s not what you meant; it’s all that remains of your point when you boil away the stupid. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/62 "2006-01-23T16:18:23Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > First off, **Big Red Username** , fuck a whole bunch of you. Did you ever get your clit pierced, btw? Some people definitely think shooting a metal rod into one’s genitals is more than a little fucking loony. You’ve got mental illness in your family and possibly in yourself, so I guess you better sign up for the batshit list too, huh. > **You saw somebody had Johanna down so you decided to come along and give her a kick, because it’s funny when people are different, and it’s even funnier when people who are different are scorned and abused.** You twitty fucking nitwit, go back to browsing Hot or Not and chime in next time you have something a little less fucking inane to add to the conversation. (bolding mine) Yup, I’m sure that was it. It’s because she’s _different_, not because GYBRFE and the OP found her to be _annoying_, right? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/63 "2006-01-23T16:20:08Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > Did you ever get your clit pierced, btw? Some people definitely think shooting a metal rod into one’s genitals is more than a little fucking loony. You know, if there were tens of thousands of people who were all Pagan Roman priestesses of the goddess Cybele who practice ahimsa (and call it that) whose people, the priestesses of Cybele, lived outside Roman civilization in the wild hills where they drummed and danced ecstatically, it wouldn’t be considered “batshit crazy” by a whole lot of people - much like clit-piercing. I really don’t think your comparison is accurate in the slightest. It’s like saying sauteed baby Harp Seal eyes aren’t a weird dish because Inuits eat blubber. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/64 "2006-01-23T16:23:14Z")
Not to mention that your accusation of **kimera** being anti-transsexuals is pretty uncalled for. She made it clear that she doesn’t dislike **Johanna** , understands that there’s a period of, shall we say, enjoying the new aspect of one’s identity to the fullest, but that she thinks it’s time for **Johanna** to stop applying her gender-focus to unrelated things. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/65 "2006-01-23T16:27:05Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > I’m glad there are people chiming in already for **Johanna** , because otherwise this thread would make me go a little batshit crazy myself. > > First off, **Big Red Username** , fuck a whole bunch of you. Did you ever get your clit pierced, btw? Yes. > [@](#): > > Some people definitely think shooting a metal rod into one’s genitals is more than a little fucking loony. Yes, and they’re entitled to their opinion. But people do crazy things to celebrate their 18th birthdays. > [@](#): > > You’ve got mental illness in your family and possibly in yourself, so I guess you better sign up for the batshit list too, huh. Hmm, you either have a good memory, or you spent quite some time meticulously searching my posts for something I rarely mention. But hey, if all you got is the fact my mum is batshit crazy, then you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel yourself. > [@](#): > > You saw somebody had **Johanna** down so you decided to come along and give her a kick, because it’s funny when people are different, and it’s even funnier when people who are different are scorned and abused. Actually no. Johanna’s posting style really irks me. And I can’t stand “witches”. Or feminists for that matter who constantly have to interject their opinion. > [@](#): > > You twitty fucking nitwit, go back to browsing Hot or Not and chime in next time you have something a little less fucking inane to add to the conversation. How about instead of clicking “Find threads started by this user”, above the post, you actually read the post and comment on that? ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/66 "2006-01-23T16:29:22Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > (bolding mine) > > Yup, I’m sure that was it. It’s because she’s _different_, not because GYBRFE and the OP found her to be _annoying_, right? :rolleyes: Oh, you now, too? Jesus, how’d I not guess you’d decide to sashay on in and add your bit for the cause of pretending nobody is actually ever influenced by anything other than their own aesthetic values? You can shut the fuck up too. Yeah, if I find something annoying, that happens in a total vacuum uninfluenced by my background, politics, expectations and values. It just happens to annoy me, that’s all. We’re all just wandering around in a cloud reacting to things that just happen to have attributes… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/67 "2006-01-23T16:33:33Z")
> [@Helen's Eidolon](#): > > Not to mention that your accusation of **kimera** being anti-transsexuals is pretty uncalled for. She made it clear that she doesn’t dislike **Johanna** , understands that there’s a period of, shall we say, enjoying the new aspect of one’s identity to the fullest, but that she thinks it’s time for **Johanna** to stop applying her gender-focus to unrelated things. In fact, it is quite clear to me that **kimera** is in fact quite pro-transsexual. I believe she is quite good friends with the poster **Azadeh** , a MTF transsexual. I have never talked to someone who was non-trans, yet so supporting of them, as I have **kimera**. **kimera is not anti-trans in any way.** ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/68 "2006-01-23T16:34:57Z")
> [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#): > > Try your local mental institution. Oh, hell no. I got out and they’re never getting me back. Or me. Me neither. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/69 "2006-01-23T16:36:45Z")
> [@Helen's Eidolon](#): > > Not to mention that your accusation of **kimera** being anti-transsexuals is pretty uncalled for. She made it clear that she doesn’t dislike **Johanna** , understands that there’s a period of, shall we say, enjoying the new aspect of one’s identity to the fullest, but that she thinks it’s time for **Johanna** to stop applying her gender-focus to unrelated things. I’m not so much accusing anybody of being “anti-transsexuals” as I am accusing them of being pro-boring homogeny. I also made it clear that I don’t give a fuck what she made clear, because I disagree that **Johanna** needs to “stop applying her gender-focus” whatever the fuck that means - so much so that I think accusing her of doing it is a sign that the accuser is triggering off of something else. **Johanna** ’s stuff is standing out where another person’s wouldn’t because it’s not “normal”. And everybody who wants to pretend that nobody has any such kind of invisible bias, that you’re only a bigot if you carry a membership card, is ignorant and naive. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/70 "2006-01-23T16:41:29Z")
Yeah, you’re clearly just a fucking moron. And an asshole too. Look, you throwing out “It’s just because she’s DIFFERENT that you guys are so mean!” is just fucking stupid. As someone said else said, I could care less what her particular issue of interest is- that’s fine, but to post about it enough that people start noticing? Not just noticing, but getting annoyed? She’s not the first poster to be called out on such behavior. Did you also defend **EC** and say that everyone was being big meanies just because he was _different_? And frankly, just because people _can_ be in influenced by their own aesthetic values, doesn’t mean that that’s the reason for just about EVER opinion they put forth. I seriously doubt posters are as one dimensional as you’d like to think. I think I’m going to go sashay off to school now, so I can add my bit for some other unexciting causes. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/71 "2006-01-23T16:42:47Z")
> [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#): > > Hmm, you either have a good memory, or you spent quite some time meticulously searching my posts for something I rarely mention. But hey, if all you got is the fact my mum is batshit crazy, then you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel yourself. > … > How about instead of clicking “Find threads started by this user”, above the post, you actually read the post and comment on that? It took me less than five minutes, actually. And what I “got” is that you should know better. I read your stupid fucking joke post. It was only a few words long. Uh, was it not pretty clear that I read your stupid fucking joke about **Johanna** belonging in a mental hospital? > [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#): > > Actually no. Johanna’s posting style really irks me. **And I can’t stand “witches”. Or feminists for that matter who constantly have to interject their opinion.** Thank you. Your words do more than mine ever could. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/72 "2006-01-23T16:43:05Z")
\*Every opinion they put forth, of course. Fucking preview button, being mean to me because I’m different. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/73 "2006-01-23T16:44:17Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Yeah, you’re clearly just a fucking moron. And an asshole too. I’m glad it’s mutual now. I’ve been hating you for so long in solitude. Have fun trying to impress guys by being the chick who’s so cool because you can call other women bitches to her! ---
**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/74 "2006-01-23T16:47:55Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > It took me less than five minutes, actually. And what I “got” is that you should know better. I should know better? What because I am “different”? But I thought I only didn’t like Johanna because I was so “pro-boring homogeny”? > [@](#): > > I read your stupid fucking joke post. It was only a few words long. Uh, was it not pretty clear that I read your stupid fucking joke about **Johanna** belonging in a mental hospital? I’ve seen less crazy people in mental hospitals. > [@](#): > > Thank you. Your words do more than mine ever could. I bet you just _love_ everybody. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/75 "2006-01-23T16:50:36Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > I’m glad it’s mutual now. I’ve been hating you for so long in solitude. > > Have fun trying to impress guys by being the chick who’s so cool because you can call other women bitches to her! Uh…y que? Where exactly does that last part stem from? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/76 "2006-01-23T16:56:17Z")
> [@Helen's Eidolon](#): > > Not to mention that your accusation of **kimera** being anti-transsexuals is pretty uncalled for. She made it clear that she doesn’t dislike **Johanna** , understands that there’s a period of, shall we say, enjoying the new aspect of one’s identity to the fullest, but that she thinks it’s time for **Johanna** to stop applying her gender-focus to unrelated things. Quoting you, because you said it clearest: My issue is not that **Johanna** should not be Pitted for, say, interjecting her fondness for Lesbian Urdu love poetry into, say, a discussion of Pakistan’s present political stance. It was objecting strenuously to the OP for having a cat about her interjecting her firsthand knowledge of gender issues **into a thread in GQ specificially asking about gender issues**. (And I added “intersexed” because they’re the physical equivalent of what “genderqueer” is psychically, by the way, to clear up that mini-hijack.) Transgenderedness **is** a real issue. If it doesn’t belong in a discussion of to what extent sex and gender are social constructs, where in the fuck **does** it belong? ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/77 "2006-01-23T16:59:26Z")
Y’know, you gotta love it when the straight, white folk are the quickest to cry out, “Why are you being racist/sexist/anti-transgendered/homophobic/etc.?” at the slightest hint of dissention. Got a little guilt there? It’s amazing how people on this board get so open-minded that they become close-minded. **cthiax** , you’re not going to win this one. Let it go. Adam ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/78 "2006-01-23T17:00:19Z")
Cthiax, I’m willing to bet that GYBRFE suggested that Johanna’s stated belief system might be commonly found in a mental institution not because GYBRFE hates transsexuals (although she might, I don’t know), but because, even considering that religion is a subject that brings out illogic like nothing else, Johanna’s belief system is simply loonie. Anyone who states that they spend time seriously attempting to “witch” themselves beautiful, to say nothing of claiming to be part of an ancient priestess cult described in unrealistically idyllic terms that never existed in the real world, should not expect to be taken too seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/79 "2006-01-23T17:00:44Z")
**Polycarp** , I do agree with you about that, and I don’t think that thread was the best example, although there is a real difference between intersex issues and transgender issues - the OP wasn’t asking about gender, he was asking about sex. Nevertheless, to me, this falls in the normal realm of GQ tangents. I still think the general point the OP made holds, but I want to make it clear that I personally don’t feel it deserved a pitting. The OP was clear and kind enough, but Pit threads against individuals invariably turn ugly, and I don’t think **Johanna** deserves that. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155/80 "2006-01-23T17:01:42Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > I’m not so much accusing anybody of being “anti-transsexuals” as I am accusing them of being pro-boring homogeny. I also made it clear that _ **I don’t give a fuck what she made clear, because I disagree** _ that **Johanna** needs to “stop applying her gender-focus” whatever the fuck that means - so much so that I think accusing her of doing it is a sign that the accuser is triggering off of something else. That’s called “having a differing opinion.” It’s possible to do that without projectile-vomiting all over the person/people with whom you disagree. > [@cthiax](#): > > Johanna’s stuff is standing out where another person’s wouldn’t because it’s not “normal”. This is, again, opinion. As has been asked, were people irritated at **Evil Captor** for being different … or for bringing the concept of bd/sm into threads to which it had NO relation? I’m positive it is the latter concept being pitted here. As has been demonstrated, **kimera** is not transgendered-unfriendly and is, in fact, quite open-minded and relaxed about the concept. You may be seeing persecution where none exists. Your posts do not suggest that you have been reading for comprehension. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johanna-enough-already/341155.md?page=5)